Michael Pollan

Cured meats people don't think of as ultra-processed, but of course they, you know, it's not a complicated process, but it renders them much less healthy as we're learning.

Cured meats people don't think of as ultra-processed, but of course they, you know, it's not a complicated process, but it renders them much less healthy as we're learning.

Cured meats people don't think of as ultra-processed, but of course they, you know, it's not a complicated process, but it renders them much less healthy as we're learning.

I don't know the answer. I don't know how the processes differ. I mean, certainly we've been smoking meat for a long time. But, you know, the thing we have to remember is the quantities are so different today. You know, Americans eat nine ounces of meat per person per day. And that's unprecedented in the history of humankind. There just wasn't that much meat around.

I don't know the answer. I don't know how the processes differ. I mean, certainly we've been smoking meat for a long time. But, you know, the thing we have to remember is the quantities are so different today. You know, Americans eat nine ounces of meat per person per day. And that's unprecedented in the history of humankind. There just wasn't that much meat around.

I don't know the answer. I don't know how the processes differ. I mean, certainly we've been smoking meat for a long time. But, you know, the thing we have to remember is the quantities are so different today. You know, Americans eat nine ounces of meat per person per day. And that's unprecedented in the history of humankind. There just wasn't that much meat around.

Yeah, I mean, there were moments where people splurged on meat. But meat in most cultures is a flavoring and not a main course. I mean, think of the way the Asians use it or the Indians use it. And there's another way to eat meat and have the advantage of eating meat because it is nutritious food.

Yeah, I mean, there were moments where people splurged on meat. But meat in most cultures is a flavoring and not a main course. I mean, think of the way the Asians use it or the Indians use it. And there's another way to eat meat and have the advantage of eating meat because it is nutritious food.

Yeah, I mean, there were moments where people splurged on meat. But meat in most cultures is a flavoring and not a main course. I mean, think of the way the Asians use it or the Indians use it. And there's another way to eat meat and have the advantage of eating meat because it is nutritious food.

But our idea that you have this big slab of animal on your plate and with some vegetables cowering in the corners, that's a kind of very novel Anglo-American idea.

But our idea that you have this big slab of animal on your plate and with some vegetables cowering in the corners, that's a kind of very novel Anglo-American idea.

But our idea that you have this big slab of animal on your plate and with some vegetables cowering in the corners, that's a kind of very novel Anglo-American idea.

Third plate, yeah.

Third plate, yeah.

Third plate, yeah.

John Harris.

John Harris.

John Harris.

Well, I don't think we're going to eliminate them. I don't picture them going away entirely, but I could imagine them getting a lot smaller and a regenerative agriculture getting a lot bigger, acre by acre. The fact is that most of our best land in the Midwest is being used to grow feed for animals, not food for people. And that is not just the result of this is how capitalism works.

Well, I don't think we're going to eliminate them. I don't picture them going away entirely, but I could imagine them getting a lot smaller and a regenerative agriculture getting a lot bigger, acre by acre. The fact is that most of our best land in the Midwest is being used to grow feed for animals, not food for people. And that is not just the result of this is how capitalism works.