Michael Schellenberger

that are neo-Nazi, that were actually booted off of social media platforms such as Facebook. And then the moment that the war breaks out, all of a sudden we're told that Ukraine is the picture of a Madisonian democracy. It's basically the 51st state. Forget about all that Nazi stuff. Actually, if you don't support Ukraine now, you're a Nazi. And I thought, you know, look, please...

that are neo-Nazi, that were actually booted off of social media platforms such as Facebook. And then the moment that the war breaks out, all of a sudden we're told that Ukraine is the picture of a Madisonian democracy. It's basically the 51st state. Forget about all that Nazi stuff. Actually, if you don't support Ukraine now, you're a Nazi. And I thought, you know, look, please...

that are neo-Nazi, that were actually booted off of social media platforms such as Facebook. And then the moment that the war breaks out, all of a sudden we're told that Ukraine is the picture of a Madisonian democracy. It's basically the 51st state. Forget about all that Nazi stuff. Actually, if you don't support Ukraine now, you're a Nazi. And I thought, you know, look, please...

I understand it's a complex situation, but please respect our intelligence enough to recognize that reasonable minds might disagree. I think going back to the 1990s, you have very intelligent foreign policy thinkers like Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, all saying that Ukraine needs to exist as a buffer nation. Okay, there's a role for buffer states.

I understand it's a complex situation, but please respect our intelligence enough to recognize that reasonable minds might disagree. I think going back to the 1990s, you have very intelligent foreign policy thinkers like Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, all saying that Ukraine needs to exist as a buffer nation. Okay, there's a role for buffer states.

I understand it's a complex situation, but please respect our intelligence enough to recognize that reasonable minds might disagree. I think going back to the 1990s, you have very intelligent foreign policy thinkers like Henry Kissinger, Sam Nunn, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, all saying that Ukraine needs to exist as a buffer nation. Okay, there's a role for buffer states.

They can mediate between greater powers. And that it would be crazy for NATO, for instance, to expand into Ukraine, that that might lead to more war and more bloodshed. When President Trump comes out and he says, this war never would have started on my watch, I know people think he's exaggerating or boasting. I think he is 100% right.

They can mediate between greater powers. And that it would be crazy for NATO, for instance, to expand into Ukraine, that that might lead to more war and more bloodshed. When President Trump comes out and he says, this war never would have started on my watch, I know people think he's exaggerating or boasting. I think he is 100% right.

They can mediate between greater powers. And that it would be crazy for NATO, for instance, to expand into Ukraine, that that might lead to more war and more bloodshed. When President Trump comes out and he says, this war never would have started on my watch, I know people think he's exaggerating or boasting. I think he is 100% right.

There was one administration in the last 20 years on whose watch Vladimir Putin has not further invaded another country. Wasn't Bush, wasn't Obama, wasn't Biden. It was Donald Trump. And so now you've got this war that has broken out because of feckless leadership. Then you've got two possibilities.

There was one administration in the last 20 years on whose watch Vladimir Putin has not further invaded another country. Wasn't Bush, wasn't Obama, wasn't Biden. It was Donald Trump. And so now you've got this war that has broken out because of feckless leadership. Then you've got two possibilities.

There was one administration in the last 20 years on whose watch Vladimir Putin has not further invaded another country. Wasn't Bush, wasn't Obama, wasn't Biden. It was Donald Trump. And so now you've got this war that has broken out because of feckless leadership. Then you've got two possibilities.

You can either continue the liberal American grand strategy of allowing Ukraine to be a meat grinder and hoping to kill as many Russian soldiers as you possibly can and sacrificing the young men of Ukraine to do it. Or you can say, you know, some years now has been enough and we need to wind this down. Blessed are the peacemakers.

You can either continue the liberal American grand strategy of allowing Ukraine to be a meat grinder and hoping to kill as many Russian soldiers as you possibly can and sacrificing the young men of Ukraine to do it. Or you can say, you know, some years now has been enough and we need to wind this down. Blessed are the peacemakers.

You can either continue the liberal American grand strategy of allowing Ukraine to be a meat grinder and hoping to kill as many Russian soldiers as you possibly can and sacrificing the young men of Ukraine to do it. Or you can say, you know, some years now has been enough and we need to wind this down. Blessed are the peacemakers.

Because, by the way, if we let this war continue on, it could spiral on beyond the guesses of of our genius elite liberal class. And you could be in a really serious regional or even global war. There's nothing bootlicking to Vladimir Putin about that realistic foreign policy. And I think, happily, the adults are back in charge, and we're going to see a serious resolution.

Because, by the way, if we let this war continue on, it could spiral on beyond the guesses of of our genius elite liberal class. And you could be in a really serious regional or even global war. There's nothing bootlicking to Vladimir Putin about that realistic foreign policy. And I think, happily, the adults are back in charge, and we're going to see a serious resolution.

Because, by the way, if we let this war continue on, it could spiral on beyond the guesses of of our genius elite liberal class. And you could be in a really serious regional or even global war. There's nothing bootlicking to Vladimir Putin about that realistic foreign policy. And I think, happily, the adults are back in charge, and we're going to see a serious resolution.

Thank you so much, Dan. Always great to be with you. And I always say your wife has excellent taste in men, both podcasters and husbands.

Thank you so much, Dan. Always great to be with you. And I always say your wife has excellent taste in men, both podcasters and husbands.