Michael Shellenberger
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard 18 Feb
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I agree with that.
So we're not in the totalitarian dungeon yet.
But it's clear that this is where they're headed, Megan.
I mean, this is what they want.
And it's all happening simultaneously.
Yeah.
Good to see you, Megan.
I think the last 12 years, we should think of it as a woke reign of terror. I mean, really, it starts with Black Lives Matter, ends with the election of President Trump. We discover, thanks to the Twitter files, the existence of this elaborate censorship industrial complex complete with government-run disinformation efforts. How much of government spending is wasted? You know, it's classic Elon.
It was chaos. It was contradictory. The only natural resource is trust. You know, Jordan, I'm filled with a lot of optimism.
Well, I mean, look, Jordan, I think it's a huge moment. You know, we obviously had a massively historic election that also signified a change in the media environment of which you've been a really fundamental part.
I think we saw today, Vice President JD Vance gave a major speech at the Munich Security Summit in Munich, Germany, where he very strongly articulated what I think you could argue is the new national conservative case which included grave concerns around losing Europe to mass migration. It included a strong defense of free speech. And this is now the second time that I think he has intimated.
This time, I think he was softer than the first time that Europe's move towards totalitarianism, particularly this mass censorship that they wanna impose on our social media companies and on us, on our voice in Europe, that that was not only unacceptable, but that it puts our alliance in danger. I mean, he specifically said, It puts NATO in danger.
So I think the Europeans today got a sense of the depth of which America cares about free speech, that free speech for us is a must have, not a nice to have. In Europe, it feels like it may be more like a nice to have.
And I think you finally got administration that's just saying, hey, we're not going to tolerate this censorship and totalitarianism that you're imposing on our companies and attempting to impose on our people.
That is a good question. I am not sure. I believe he did say at the beginning of the speech that they had met, but the audience should check on that. It was a second strong—he actually gave a prior speech as well that was also strong. But yeah, this was a big speech. Of course, there was an assault by a terrorist in Germany. I believe less than 48 hours ago, very dramatic moment.
I don't have the latest in terms of deaths and injuries, but it was he opens with that. He expressed his, of course, great concern and sympathy for the Germans and then pivoted right away to saying, look, you've got a big mass migration problem and we have it, too. And we've got to have we've got to get control of our countries. And I think he also said,
And I think he really spoke for Americans this way, certainly for me, which is that we actually really love Europe. Like, you know, Americans really care about Europe. Like, not just as a tourist destination, we care about it as an idea, as the birthplace of the Enlightenment.
I mean, for us Americans, Europe is where our ideas that our country was founded on were born, but they were never fully realized until you got to the United States and until you had Thomas Jefferson insist against Alexandra Hamilton that we were going to have a Bill of Rights
And that the first thing was going to be free speech and that we weren't going to mess around about it, that this was number one, that we didn't want to have a country without having this guarantee.
And like I said, I just think I don't think Europeans understand the depth of our commitment to that, that really when they start threatening our free speech rights, as they've been increasingly doing, they need to know that they are threatening their security. That it really makes—we're tired. America is tired. Like, we're very, very tired.
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