526. Trump, Musk, Kennedy: the Dawn of Transparency | Michael Shellenberger
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What happens when political obligations are ignored?
If you don't shoulder your political obligation, then the tyrants will take the right to do so out of your hands and use it against you.
I think the last 12 years, we should think of it as a woke reign of terror. I mean, really, it starts with Black Lives Matter, ends with the election of President Trump. We discover, thanks to the Twitter files, the existence of this elaborate censorship industrial complex complete with government-run disinformation efforts. How much of government spending is wasted? You know, it's classic Elon. It was chaos. It was contradictory. The only natural resource is trust. You know, Jordan, I'm filled with a lot of optimism.
You need to get married. You need to have some children. Your family has to be an integrated part of your community. You have to serve your state and your nation. If everyone can cooperate and compete, then every desert can bloom. Hi, everybody. I had the opportunity to speak today to Michael Schellenberger, who's well, he was a Democrat at one point, like so many people, and has turned more to the Well, I wouldn't say conservative side exactly. He's turned to whatever this new emergent side is that's signified by the union, let's say, of Trump and Musk and J.D. Vance and Mehmet Oz and Robert Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard, et cetera, et cetera, whatever that is. And I've had Michael on as a guest a couple of times on the show. He's a journalist. He broke the Twitter files. Elon Musk gave him access to the... the Twitter backend to delineate what had been occurring before Musk purchased the platform.
And Michael was also instrumental in breaking the WPATH files. And WPATH is, well, you could call it an organization, but it's more like a cabal of perversion and incompetence, I would say. And WPATH put themselves forward as a scientific consultation group that established gender-affirming care as the standard of care, a standard that was immediately adopted by the lackeys and bootlickers at the American Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association, et cetera, ad nauseum forever.
How has the 'woke reign of terror' shaped recent politics?
And so Michael's a pretty useful journalist, and he's been assessing Elon Musk's work at Doge, deconstructing USAID, for example. And I wanted to talk to Michael about his views on Musk's efforts, on Musk himself, let's say, on this strange collaboration between Musk and Trump and the other people that we mentioned, and about, I suppose, his position his deeper insights, if any, and likely, on just exactly how to understand what's going on, how to understand this rise of new conservative or new traditionalist populism, how to understand the threat that's being posed to Europe in terms of mass migration and the globalist utopians, how to understand the philosophical and spiritual basis of this
revolution in governance that we see manifesting itself before us, to understand the role that technological transformation is playing, for example, in facilitating Elon Musk's ability to do his sleuthing and uncovering work, well, it's all part of the attempt to get to the bottom of things. And the bottom's a long way down. And so it's down the rabbit hole we go with Michael Schellenberger. Well, Michael, it's good to see you again. It's been about 10 months since we spoke, so it seems like a lot longer ago than that. But I guess that's because, well, the world keeps turning upside down and spinning, so it's disconcerting. I'm very curious. We're going to talk a fair bit about USAID today and government corruption, fraud, waste, which are hard to disentangle today.
And I want to dive right into that, but I'm also curious what else you think is particularly germane that we might touch on today?
Well, I mean, look, Jordan, I think it's a huge moment. You know, we obviously had a massively historic election that also signified a change in the media environment of which you've been a really fundamental part. I think we saw today, Vice President JD Vance gave a major speech at the Munich Security Summit in Munich, Germany, where he very strongly articulated what I think you could argue is the new national conservative case which included grave concerns around losing Europe to mass migration. It included a strong defense of free speech. And this is now the second time that I think he has intimated.
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