Michael Slavin

Yep.

Yeah, the only cost then is that minimal cost of printing the book in a small mart, I guess they take for distribution.

So that's like four bucks, right?

Well, honestly, you know, the book, when I first wrote the book, I told everybody if I don't make a dime, it's fine because I'm trying to get a message out.

And the book's always been a side project for me.

It's sort of morphing slightly because, you know, I'm getting lots of offers to come talk.

I'm not getting any paid offers yet, but everybody wants to hear the story.

Everybody loves the story.

The local universities made me an adjunct professor because they love my book so much they want to include it in the curriculum.

so i see this really if this is ever going to be something to make me any money it's probably going to be a slow process for me it may take me a couple of years for this to make

know i'm thinking it may make me a few hundred thousand or so in a couple of years and uh the fact that i have no financial needs really you know that's great because it's just it's you know it's a little money that i can yeah play with or whatever it was like there was no advance on this either right because again you self-published that's correct no advance and what about did you end up did you decide to do an audiobook or not i did oh you did okay yeah and how is that doing

You know, audio books, I don't know about everybody.

My experience is the audio books go very slow.

You know, I just haven't sold hardly any audio books.

And if you ask me later about my favorite book, I'm going to tell you it's Accidental Genius with Mark Levy.

And Mark shared with me that he thinks he sold maybe three audio books, which I'm sure is exaggerating.

but it's a whole different thing and the audiobooks you don't make hardly any money because they will not let you set your price they set the price for you and it's pretty much not on how good your book is it's just how long it is it's just you know it's a horrible way to decide value on the book so audiobook i probably make four fifty to five dollars on and i don't know where the money goes did you write the book uh directly or did you have a ghostwriter

I wrote the book and then I had a ghostwriter come in and clean it up for me.

Okay.

And what about a coauthor?