Michael Smoak

But imagine you didn't have the evidence, a false accusation of some kind.

I heard Michael say this thing at some live event.

I didn't record it, but I can promise you that it's true.

I didn't.

But you don't have the recording either.

And there's no proof around that.

And then that narrative starts to take hold.

And before you know it, I just, I agree that words hurt you to the degree that you believe they are true.

But I also believe that words hurt you to the degree that you believe others will believe that they are true.

And that is where your good name, to what extent you've got it left, gets sideswiped.

And you didn't deserve it.

You're among friends.

They could have been.

They could have been.

I understand your point.

I do think that

as you're trying to grow a platform uh

your audience and the total available audience is always going to be massively different unless you missed a beast.

And that means that if you are curtailed, neutered from being able to access more of these people because some... How many people got turned off of Rogan because of what happened?

I mean, he managed to flip reverse it with an Uno reverse card during COVID.