Michael Steele

That's fair.

People want people to to put a salve on the pain that they feel that our elected officials aren't aren't doing that.

They're not trying to be honest and say, hey, this is this is the cost of solving this problem.

These are the things we have to do collectively.

Culture wars are bullshit because guess what?

Immigrants aren't going anywhere.

They're always coming.

Just like your great granddaddy got here.

Your granddaddy got here.

The next generation is coming.

So, you know, you're not going to be able to hide from the world.

So why don't we place ourselves in a right way in it, as we've always strived to do?

No one's having that conversation.

So if, Till, if all I want to make you as a happily married father, gay man,

living in New Orleans fear, what am I going to do?

I'm going to find the thing that scares you and I'm going to pick at that.

I'm going to go with that.

And it could be the assault on, you know, in a reverse universe, assault on the trans community.

It could be assault on something.

And what do you, you become protective and defensive of that.