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Michael T. Roberts

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
180 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

When we get into really complicated products, that becomes a complicated question.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

Standards of identity are really important because that's the benchmark by which we decide whether a food is authentic or not.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

They became very popular when we had the very first Food Act, the 1906 Pure Food and Drug Act, and then they became even more popular with the 1938 Federal Food and Drug and Cosmetic Act.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

All of these acts were passed in response to food safety problems, or more broadly, food adulteration problems, which included both fraud and safety.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

So you had standards of identity being populated by the FDA right and left on food.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

In fact, peanut butter killed the making of standards.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

Al Gore, Vice President, Bill Clinton, was given the assignment to modernize government, to clean up bureaucracies, cut waste.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

And he encountered this long saga of the making of a peanut butter standard, which led for over a decade, years and years of arguing about what is peanut butter.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

You had congressional hearings on this.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

The FDA was tied up in the knots over science.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

The question was, how many peanuts should it be in peanut butter?

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

And that was a really important economic question that had a lot of cost implications.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

It dragged on for years and years, and tons of money was spent.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

And Al Gore just wrote a scathing report about these peanut butter standards that were wasting time and money.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

It really caught a lot of attention, and the FDA literally at that point stopped making standards because it just wasn't worth the effort.

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

Let's say, for example, you want to take to the FDA honey that you don't consider to be real honey, and the FDA has to decide that based on what?

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

Well, you don't have a standard of identity, so who's to say what honey is?

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

When I talked earlier about these different indirect ways of manipulating honey, do those take it out of the definition of honey?

Freakonomics Radio
670. Beeconomics 101

Well, it's a great question, and this is something I love to pony up in my classes.