Michelle Fleury

And that's why his inclusion in this trip is so notable.

So you've got Jensen Huang there arguing engagement is key, as Raoul was saying, you know, they want leverage for the Americans.

But there is pushback, I've got to say, from Congress.

Lawmakers here say we've tried that with manufacturing.

That notion of kind of leverage doesn't work.

The Chinese are happy to welcome American companies in until they develop their own and then they kick us out.

And there is this huge debate about whether or not export bans are the way forward.

And in fact, just as the Americans were packing their bags to go to China, the Commerce Department officials apparently dropped a bomb on China's second largest chipmaker, Hua Hong, and it ordered a couple of US companies to stop shipping tech tools to China.

to them.

It believes China is making these sophisticated chips to kind of replace American ones.

So you've got America essentially trying to disrupt China's AI plans.

Yeah, I mean, this is where on the economic front, obviously, there's massive productivity gains.

On the military side, there is obviously huge questions, but both countries are throwing everything at it.

I mean, here where I'm sitting, you've got the American firms really focused on kind of what you call frontier AI, in other words, super intelligent computers.

I think the Chinese role, I think you know more about this, they're taking a different approach.

Well, I mean, I think that's at the heart of this debate, right, is they do need to find some ways to cooperate because the economy is global.

Everyone gets sucked in.

And that's why I think the three of us are here talking about this today.

You know, this is about the US and China and how they can work together, if that's even, as you point out, possible, given the rivalry they face.

That's where AI becomes so important today.