Michelle Gannon

And, you know, a show like Sex and the City represented sex in so many different ways.

I think...

this pre-premium cable to post-premium cable is really the big shift.

But I think more recently, especially in light of niche programming and all these different streamers popping up, it's become sort of ubiquitous.

And I think a backlash has sort of...

come with that in terms of some generations perhaps not wanting or desiring sex on their shows.

So it's interesting to see how it's shifted.

I think it's been really interesting to see what shows audiences have really grabbed onto recently.

I mean, I remember when Fellow Travelers premiered on Showtime.

Who do you belong to?

that was two years ago, folks were really shocked by some of the gay sex on that show.

I mean, it was super explicit.

But it didn't, I think, break out in a huge way amongst a mainstream audience because it was, I think, a very tragic story, as a lot of queer stories can be.

Whereas, as I'm sure we'll talk about, heated rivalry has really grabbed onto an audience that I think is looking for joy and escape.

And there's just a lot going on on a day-to-day basis, you know, in our neighbourhoods, worldwide, on the news.

And I think that sex and intimacy can be a place of, like...

discovery that is isolated from that.

And I think in terms of building really compelling characters, those scenes can be really pivotal and important.

And that's how it is in Heated Rivalry and in some of the best shows that I've watched.

Yeah, and isn't it funny to kind of look back on those shows in the context of what you've watched most recently and be like, oh, maybe those scenes weren't actually that steamy.