Michelle Hackman

And this administration, because they're trying to bring on so many new ICE agents, they're

Thank you so much for having me.

There are several ways, but critics of ICE have always had this sense that it's a little bit of a rogue agency.

But I will say, as someone watching ICE—

In the past, even under the first Trump administration, largely speaking, the way ICE would operate was a little bit closer to a traditional police agency where they would put in a decent amount of police work before they try to go arrest someone.

They do some work to figure out, OK, we know this person is in the country illegally because they have a final deportation order.

They have this address on file with the government.

We know who they are.

We know where they live.

So we're going to go try to get them.

Now what's happening more and more is ICE officers is really being driven by the pressure that they're under to arrest lots of people.

And so what we're seeing is they're actually using basic profiling tactics to see if they can't find immigrants a little bit more quickly.

So there are two steps to making an arrest.

You need to have reasonable suspicion to stop someone and question them.

But then you need to have what's called probable cause to actually take them into your custody.

You can't reasonably suspect that someone's in the country illegally just because they're Hispanic.

But what the Supreme Court has said recently is that you can actually take a number of those profiling factors.

Let's say you're Hispanic and you look terrified when you see the ICE officer.

That suddenly now does rise to the level of reasonable suspicion to then stop someone and say, OK, do you have proof of your citizenship?

Yeah, this is a huge deal.