Michelle Martin

And what's the second?

So Alyssa, you've been following this showdown between the administration and selective colleges like Harvard. How does this action fit into that?

So Alyssa, you've been following this showdown between the administration and selective colleges like Harvard. How does this action fit into that?

So Alyssa, you've been following this showdown between the administration and selective colleges like Harvard. How does this action fit into that?

What they consider ideological overreach.

What they consider ideological overreach.

What they consider ideological overreach.

So that's higher ed. What about K-12?

So that's higher ed. What about K-12?

So that's higher ed. What about K-12?

So once again, centering the administration's view of DEI, what about the other orders?

So once again, centering the administration's view of DEI, what about the other orders?

So once again, centering the administration's view of DEI, what about the other orders?

That is NPR's Alyssa Nadroni. Alyssa, thank you. You bet. Thank you. And that's Up First for Thursday, April 24th. I'm Michelle Martin.

That is NPR's Alyssa Nadroni. Alyssa, thank you. You bet. Thank you. And that's Up First for Thursday, April 24th. I'm Michelle Martin.

That is NPR's Alyssa Nadroni. Alyssa, thank you. You bet. Thank you. And that's Up First for Thursday, April 24th. I'm Michelle Martin.

Today's episode of Up First was edited by Roberta Rampton, Ryland Barton, Steve Drummond, Janae Williams, and Arzu Rezvani. It was produced by Ziad Budge, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Zach Coleman and our technical director is Carly Strange. We hope you'll join us again tomorrow.

Today's episode of Up First was edited by Roberta Rampton, Ryland Barton, Steve Drummond, Janae Williams, and Arzu Rezvani. It was produced by Ziad Budge, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Zach Coleman and our technical director is Carly Strange. We hope you'll join us again tomorrow.

Today's episode of Up First was edited by Roberta Rampton, Ryland Barton, Steve Drummond, Janae Williams, and Arzu Rezvani. It was produced by Ziad Budge, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Zach Coleman and our technical director is Carly Strange. We hope you'll join us again tomorrow.

It would be an absolutely Kafkaesque situation where the family has no idea where the person is, what kind of conditions they're being held in, whether they're even alive.