Michelle Martin

Europeans and others are worried because what happens in Ukraine could have broader implications. So what do the shifting alliances mean for America and its role in the world?

That's Anne Applebaum, a staff writer for The Atlantic, talking about Trump's recent posturing towards Russia. She says Russia is a threat not only to Ukraine, but also to Europe.

That's Anne Applebaum, a staff writer for The Atlantic, talking about Trump's recent posturing towards Russia. She says Russia is a threat not only to Ukraine, but also to Europe.

That's Anne Applebaum, a staff writer for The Atlantic, talking about Trump's recent posturing towards Russia. She says Russia is a threat not only to Ukraine, but also to Europe.

My co-host Leila Fadl spoke with her about the significance of the shift.

My co-host Leila Fadl spoke with her about the significance of the shift.

My co-host Leila Fadl spoke with her about the significance of the shift.

We also heard from Stephen Walt, a foreign policy expert at Harvard. He's concerned about the kinds of world leaders Trump seems comfortable with.

We also heard from Stephen Walt, a foreign policy expert at Harvard. He's concerned about the kinds of world leaders Trump seems comfortable with.

We also heard from Stephen Walt, a foreign policy expert at Harvard. He's concerned about the kinds of world leaders Trump seems comfortable with.

Like Applebaum, Walt is concerned that this positioning should shake up how Democratic allies view the U.S.

Like Applebaum, Walt is concerned that this positioning should shake up how Democratic allies view the U.S.

Like Applebaum, Walt is concerned that this positioning should shake up how Democratic allies view the U.S.

But Walt has been critical of U.S. foreign policy and what he views as an overcommitment to allies and the expansion of NATO without clear benefits to the U.S. So how does he think the U.S. should realign with allies?

But Walt has been critical of U.S. foreign policy and what he views as an overcommitment to allies and the expansion of NATO without clear benefits to the U.S. So how does he think the U.S. should realign with allies?

But Walt has been critical of U.S. foreign policy and what he views as an overcommitment to allies and the expansion of NATO without clear benefits to the U.S. So how does he think the U.S. should realign with allies?

My co-host Steve Inskeep asked Victoria Coates, a former deputy national security advisor in the first Trump administration, if the president has already upended the world order and switched sides.

My co-host Steve Inskeep asked Victoria Coates, a former deputy national security advisor in the first Trump administration, if the president has already upended the world order and switched sides.

My co-host Steve Inskeep asked Victoria Coates, a former deputy national security advisor in the first Trump administration, if the president has already upended the world order and switched sides.

Neither is it Europe. So what does she make of the president's approach to Russia's war in Ukraine?