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Michelle Williams

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Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And recently it's kind of dawned on me, oh, I think that's the thing that I would relate it to most in my life, is this feeling that I had of a child sort of following my own hands and feet to a place that I didn't know anything about, but there might be a discovery to be made there. And I think...

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And recently it's kind of dawned on me, oh, I think that's the thing that I would relate it to most in my life, is this feeling that I had of a child sort of following my own hands and feet to a place that I didn't know anything about, but there might be a discovery to be made there. And I think...

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And recently it's kind of dawned on me, oh, I think that's the thing that I would relate it to most in my life, is this feeling that I had of a child sort of following my own hands and feet to a place that I didn't know anything about, but there might be a discovery to be made there. And I think...

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Those two experiences, how I feel about my work and how I felt about my early childhood, are related to each other.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Those two experiences, how I feel about my work and how I felt about my early childhood, are related to each other.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Those two experiences, how I feel about my work and how I felt about my early childhood, are related to each other.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Well, they also had a real open-door policy. They were Democrats, and so they would take in travelers. I remember a summer that we took in a family, and they had children our age.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Well, they also had a real open-door policy. They were Democrats, and so they would take in travelers. I remember a summer that we took in a family, and they had children our age.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Well, they also had a real open-door policy. They were Democrats, and so they would take in travelers. I remember a summer that we took in a family, and they had children our age.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And we played together and we would lay down a blanket in the middle of the living room and it would become a stage and we would put on this show that we had been working on while our parents were busy doing things that parents do, cooking and cleaning and tasks and chores. And we were free to do what we wanted with our time.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And we played together and we would lay down a blanket in the middle of the living room and it would become a stage and we would put on this show that we had been working on while our parents were busy doing things that parents do, cooking and cleaning and tasks and chores. And we were free to do what we wanted with our time.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And we played together and we would lay down a blanket in the middle of the living room and it would become a stage and we would put on this show that we had been working on while our parents were busy doing things that parents do, cooking and cleaning and tasks and chores. And we were free to do what we wanted with our time.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And that would be looking for arrowheads or snakeskins or riding horses. But really, our parents and grandparents believed that nature was a safe place for us. And so that was our playground. And I think about this as it relates to my own children, because I think nature was really my first teacher. And nature is impartial. It doesn't care about you.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And that would be looking for arrowheads or snakeskins or riding horses. But really, our parents and grandparents believed that nature was a safe place for us. And so that was our playground. And I think about this as it relates to my own children, because I think nature was really my first teacher. And nature is impartial. It doesn't care about you.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And that would be looking for arrowheads or snakeskins or riding horses. But really, our parents and grandparents believed that nature was a safe place for us. And so that was our playground. And I think about this as it relates to my own children, because I think nature was really my first teacher. And nature is impartial. It doesn't care about you.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And it doesn't care about good or bad or right or wrong. It cares about safety and danger. And so these lessons were not heavy handed. And, you know, I think about it as with my own children, because the landscape has changed so much. And will they have those experiences?

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And it doesn't care about good or bad or right or wrong. It cares about safety and danger. And so these lessons were not heavy handed. And, you know, I think about it as with my own children, because the landscape has changed so much. And will they have those experiences?

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

And it doesn't care about good or bad or right or wrong. It cares about safety and danger. And so these lessons were not heavy handed. And, you know, I think about it as with my own children, because the landscape has changed so much. And will they have those experiences?

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Same, same. The consideration of one's own pleasure was not in the conversation when I was coming of age. It was, listen, first of all, you shouldn't do it. Yeah, right. If you have to, you'll probably suffer a tragedy, get sick, or die. Right, right. So it seemed pretty scary and loaded. And it's certainly taken me a long time to unpack.

Fresh Air
Michelle Williams Insists On Finding Pleasure & Humor Alongside Pain

Same, same. The consideration of one's own pleasure was not in the conversation when I was coming of age. It was, listen, first of all, you shouldn't do it. Yeah, right. If you have to, you'll probably suffer a tragedy, get sick, or die. Right, right. So it seemed pretty scary and loaded. And it's certainly taken me a long time to unpack.