Mike Baker

It's great to be with you, Ben.

So you've just returned from Caracas.

Give me your impressions.

Wait, wait, wait.

Rick, I've got to tell you.

You know what?

I'm so impressed.

You're a very sensitive man now at this stage of your life.

With hope, anything is possible.

household name billionaires um from from the tech and crypto industry we're just down there like yeah i'm gonna get into oil and gas now quite frankly you can't swing at that cat without hitting a billionaire nowadays come on everybody's i know you and i we probably between the two of us we probably got a billion in gold bars stashed at our houses um but

So, look, you mentioned the remnants, and I think that's really an interesting point, right?

Because there was this talk early days in the changeover, once Maduro was picked up, that it was a reshuffling of the deck chairs.

And so what are you seeing in real terms now?

from the government in terms of its alignment now, is there a noticeable shift?

Are they changing from what you're seeing?

I was going to ask about that because is, does it seem like, I mean, you can have change without, uh,

I don't know what you want to call it, reconciliation or justice.

I mean, you can box that up and set it aside just for the sake of having change, I suppose.

I don't know that you linked the two.

I'm not being very eloquent here, but I guess from the population's perspective, do you get the sense that they're becoming impatient over the pace of change?