Mike Benz

embassies, with USAID and the like, or for that matter, with our intelligence services.

I believe that one of the best ways to try to get reform here is through sunlight, not necessarily direct criminal action, especially you don't want to just go on a fishing expedition just because you don't like the other party.

But the fact is, if you use secrecy as a sword to do dirty work abroad, you can no longer hold up that sword as a shield if you're doing dirty work at home, if you're doing campaign work.

or political work at home, or you're supporting various politically-infused issues and the like.

And so I believe that that whole shroud of secrecy around these liberal international NGOs and their relationship with state, CIA, USAID has to be

completely unclassified to the extent that it's classified and has to be completely made public to the extent that it's quote SBU, sensitive but unclassified, meaning it can't be declassified because it's not classified in the first place, but it can't be made public.

Well, I believe that if you operate at home,

you lose that ability to do that work abroad.

And you really don't have that on this side.

You don't have like Heritage getting $100 million grants to influence some election in Kosovo like you do with liberal NGOs that operate here.

I mean, take the Ford Foundation, for example.

The Ford Foundation was working with the CIA since the 1940s, the 1940s, late 1940s.

And the Ford Foundation is still around as a basically Democrat Party surrogate.

Its relationship is now largely with the State Department and USAID and the like.

But when exactly did its relationship with the CIA, which it had for 30 years, go away?

But the point is, is I believe that all those internal communications, all of the quarterly reports, annual reports, email communications should be public as a matter of course, rather than sort of being treated as a kind of covert operation because we want to swing an election in Kosovo and the Ford Foundation Network is passing through grants to help us here.

Does that make sense?

Well, it's been really interesting to watch it because one of the most prolific, notorious, and powerful of these dark money nonprofits on the liberal side was Arabella

And Arabella has wound down.

Probably should have been a bigger headline than I think many people now remember it to be.