Mike Carruthers

It doesn't have a good connotation to it that, you know, quitting is not what you do.

You persevere, you tough it out, you pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but you just don't quit.

But you have a very different view of quitting.

So explain what that is.

And your definition of wise quitting is what?

When you have something in your life that you're thinking about quitting, to me it's kind of the quintessential, you can't see the forest for the trees.

You're so close to it that you can see, maybe I should quit, maybe I shouldn't.

You can't really tell.

You need some perspective.

Yeah, but it could also just be you regret because you don't know, and now it's the road not taken, and then you can fantasize about how wonderful it might have been.

But you don't really know, and maybe quitting was a good idea.

I mean, when I think of quitting, mostly I think of...

when I first hear the word, I think of like a job.

I think, you know, quit your job.

And when do you quit?

And how unbearable does it have to get?

Or what has to happen?

And should you hang in there?

And, you know, and that's always a tough one because, you know, it's easier to get another job if you've already got one.

And but the job you have may just be horrible.