Mike Carruthers

When you say pleasure, though, I mean, I get that maybe there's some brief moment of satisfaction when you get your revenge. But I bet you in the history of revenge that very few people have ever the next day looked back and thought, Wow, I'm so glad that happened. I'm so glad I did what I did. That felt fabulous.

I mean, maybe sometime, but for the most part, the pleasure is pretty empty and can have serious consequences.

I mean, maybe sometime, but for the most part, the pleasure is pretty empty and can have serious consequences.

I mean, maybe sometime, but for the most part, the pleasure is pretty empty and can have serious consequences.

I also want to ask you, I want to go back to something you said, if I heard you correctly, that all violence is revenge.

I also want to ask you, I want to go back to something you said, if I heard you correctly, that all violence is revenge.

I also want to ask you, I want to go back to something you said, if I heard you correctly, that all violence is revenge.

Well, I want to dig into that a little more. We're talking about revenge, what it is, what it does. And my guest is James Kimmel, author of the book The Science of Revenge, Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to Overcome It.

Well, I want to dig into that a little more. We're talking about revenge, what it is, what it does. And my guest is James Kimmel, author of the book The Science of Revenge, Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to Overcome It.

Well, I want to dig into that a little more. We're talking about revenge, what it is, what it does. And my guest is James Kimmel, author of the book The Science of Revenge, Understanding the World's Deadliest Addiction and How to Overcome It.

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So, James, when you say all violence is revenge, if I'm sitting in my living room and some crazed stranger just bursts open the door and shoots me, how is that revenge? He doesn't even know me.

So, James, when you say all violence is revenge, if I'm sitting in my living room and some crazed stranger just bursts open the door and shoots me, how is that revenge? He doesn't even know me.

So, James, when you say all violence is revenge, if I'm sitting in my living room and some crazed stranger just bursts open the door and shoots me, how is that revenge? He doesn't even know me.

And you can do that in your road rage example. You can do that in the moment when some guy cuts you off. You can forgive that guy right away and that stuff kicks in.

And you can do that in your road rage example. You can do that in the moment when some guy cuts you off. You can forgive that guy right away and that stuff kicks in.

And you can do that in your road rage example. You can do that in the moment when some guy cuts you off. You can forgive that guy right away and that stuff kicks in.

You know what's interesting about the road rage example is typically we don't know the person that cut us off. It probably, or many times, it may have just been a mistake. The person wasn't paying attention to something. It wasn't something they were doing deliberately. We've probably made mistakes in the car driving ourselves, and we hope for forgiveness.