Mike Graham

But, you know, there's literally no reason to watch breakfast TV in mainstream media.

There's no reason to watch.

I mean, I've watched Laura Kunzberg just because it's kind of cringe and you can't quite believe what people are saying on it.

And, you know, this week's was particularly funny with old Zach Belansky, you know, and I've never had a drink and I've never taken any drugs.

He runs in a very weird way is all I know.

But you're absolutely right, because, you know, now the ordinary people, because of COVID, because of the Brexit sort of a fit up, because of the way that politicians now lie to us all the time as a matter of course, people have seen through all that and they've seen through the mainstream kind of Westminster bubble and they're not interested in watching

the questions that come from journalists anymore because, I mean, I was on Liz Truss's show the other day and I was saying, you know, they're not curious.

Journalists aren't curious anymore.

They don't ask questions that people want them to ask.

They just kind of...

just kind of parry things and and kind of knock things around and it's all like a bit of a kick about and then they'll go to the pub later you know they're all mates i don't want to be mates with politicians i really don't you don't really like them i'd rather just ask them difficult questions and watch them squirm you know and it's quite funny because there's you know an awful lot of mps who used to come on my old show who are still kind of nervous of coming on the new one because they're not sure if i'm a racist or not and it's like well maybe you can make up your own mind

You know, you used to come on my show, what's the difference?

You know?

Well, I think a lot of it has to do with the different kinds of media and the way that people now consume it, and the fact that you don't really buy a newspaper now unless you're probably over 60.

I mean, my kids, who range in age from 19 to 35,

they don't buy newspapers, you know, they wouldn't.

I mean, I think a newspaper's putting in the fire and lighting it, you know.

And I think also the nature of the power of those newspapers has kind of rescinded.

You know, the Sun used to be the paper that made prime ministers.

Now it's not really politically particularly powerful because the whole business is fragmented and different people are in it as well.