Mike Johnson

So maybe they don't have any, Frankie, maybe that's the answer.

And that's the extreme difficulty in what they're about to undertake, how to create a team that's really good with a defenseman that are NHL players, but know, as Kelly called them, foundational pieces.

Yeah, absolutely.

We've talked about this, right?

There's two different realities, making the playoffs, winning the playoffs, and one is way harder and a tough needle to thread than the other.

I'm not sure what Keith Bailey could have said that would have satiated your desire to win the Stanley Cup.

I'm not sure what you can say.

Very valid.

Very valid.

That's our guy.

Sign him up.

We're on our way.

It's hard to pull off, given where they are right now.

But I think it is, and they will say, well, of course we're here to win the Cup.

But how they proceed will tell you what they're trying to do.

And maybe it is make the playoffs and hope that the randomness and the variability of hockey, injuries, goaltending, even how close one to eight is, gives them a chance to win a cup as long as they make the playoffs.

And that is not, again, theoretically wrong, just not likely.

Not likely.

And you can look over the last few years about the things that the good teams do and what they do well and what they don't.

And the Leafs are a long way from doing a lot of stuff that the best teams that win in the Stanley Cup playoffs do well.