Mike Johnson

There's still advantages to doing that.

And so you keep doing them, recognizing that they're not perfect simulations.

And there's still something that you can learn and keep going forward.

One of the things that we've done, started doing this past year, was we've actually brought in an outside firm to do a tabletop exercise for us.

And that then does change the stakes because they have less familiarity with the environment.

They aren't making assumptions in a tabletop exercise of, well, of course we would just do that.

And so I think that really is one of the opportunities is continue to uplevel your tabletop game and make that better, recognizing that it's never going to be perfect.

Yes, I do think they are more adept at creating scenarios that still can inject some concern, can inject some urgency, again, in a way that your internal team will have a hard time simulating.

And there's also the fact that, you know, you spent money on this and that does create some additional pressure as well to get value out of it because you could have spent that money on something else.

So it really, that outside party does help raise the stakes.

Well, I mean, this is coming from the CEO of the company who makes hardware that burns tokens.

Yeah, they'd be, what, the first $10 trillion company?

I think if you look at the gist of it, it really is engineers really should be leaning into,

augmenting themselves, getting more done with AI.

And I think that really genuinely is true.

That is where we're at today, that you can be that much more effective by partnering with AI rather than assuming that it's just going to do all the work for you or just that somebody else is going to do the work.

So the gist of it, I agree with.

I think at the same time, the amount of money raises my eyebrows.

What I'd say is you've seen more the concept of agents controlling other agents.

It used to be this is an agent that is standalone.