Mike Knoop

Yeah.

Um, I guess I've been sort of like AI curious for 13 years.

Uh, I've been, I co-founded Zapper, been running it for the last 13 years.

And I think I first got introduced to your work in during COVID.

Um, I kind of went down the rabbit hole.

I had a lot of free time.

Um, and it was right after you'd, um, published your on measure of intelligence paper, you sort of introduced the concept of AGI.

That's like efficiency of skill acquisition is like the right definition and the arc puzzles.

But I don't think the first Kaggle contest was done yet.

I think it was still running.

And so I kind of, it was interesting.

Um, but I just parked the idea, uh, and, um, I had bigger fish to fry at Zapier.

We're in this middle of this big turnaround of trying to get to our second product.

Um, and then, uh, it was January, 2022 when the chain of thought paper came out that really like awoken me to sort of the progress.

I, I gave a whole presentation to the Zapier on like the GPT three paper events.

I sort of felt like I had priced in everything that Elms could do.

And that paper was

Really shocking to me in terms of all these latent capabilities that Elms have that I didn't expect that they had.

And so I actually gave up my exec team role at Zapier.

I was running half the company at that point.