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Mike Knoop

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

Because it is public, it could have leaked into the training dataset.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

We want to evolve the Arc dataset.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

That is a goal that we want to do.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

I think, Francois, you mentioned it's not perfect.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

guess that that will be interesting and maybe that'll indicate that you know you had to do something hacky with current models as they get better you won't have to do something hacky um i'm also going to be very curious to see how these multimodal models if they will perform natively much better at arc like tests if arc survives three months from here we'll blow up the price uh i think we're about to make a really important moment of like contact with reality by blowing up the prize putting a much big prize pool against it we're gonna learn really quickly if there's like low-hanging fruit of ideas

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

Again, I think new ideas are needed.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

I think anyone listening to this might have the idea in their head.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And I'd encourage everyone to give it a try.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And I think as time goes on, that adds strength to the argument that we've sort of stalled out in progress and that new ideas are necessary to be dark.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

It'd certainly be motivating.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

We're going to keep running the contest until somebody puts a reproducible open source version into public domain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

So even if somebody privately beats the ARK eval, we're going to still keep the prize money until someone can reproduce it and put the public reproducible version out there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

We're making contact with reality as well with this, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

We're going to learn a lot, I think, about what the actual limits of the compute were.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

If someone showed up and said, hey, here's a closed source model that...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

like I'm getting 50 plus percent on, I think that would probably update us on like, okay, perhaps we should increase the amount of compute that we give on the private test set in order to balance, you know, some of the decisions initially are somewhat arbitrary in order to learn about, okay, what's, what do people want?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

What does progress look like?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Francois Chollet, Mike Knoop - LLMs won’t lead to AGI - $1,000,000 Prize to find true solution

And I think both of us are sort of committed to evolving it over time in order to be the best or the closest to perfect as we can get it.

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