Mike Nellis

And there were plenty of times that she went on a long-form podcast, did a great job.

She went out with Brene Brown.

It was great.

She did Call Her Daddy, and that was really, really good with Alex.

I forget what her last name is, but that episode was really good.

Yeah, I thought it was... I mean, it was a while ago, so we're talking almost a year now, so I haven't listened to it in a while.

But I remember feeling like, this is fine, this is good, there's nothing to complain about.

I don't remember people complaining about it very much, but...

Again, I think even with Call Her Daddy is like you're already preaching to the choir with Alex's audience would be my guess.

You're trying to get disaffected people that are going to stay home to vote for you that are probably values aligned but skeptical about your work.

Like Trump, she invited Trump on.

I said at the time I thought it was a mistake for Trump not to do Call Her Daddy.

Yes, Trump would have alienated 90% of the people who listen to that.

but you're angling for the 10% of people that are going to listen to you.

And the same thing with Rogan, like 90, maybe not 90%, but a huge chunk of Rogan's audience was not going to like Kamala Harris.

They were not going to agree with her.

But if she could reach 10, 15, 20%, it makes a big difference.

Like one of the things I try to remind my clients all the time is in every election cycle, we're bleeding white male voters.

That's just a reality of what it is.

And this last election, we bled young male voters, period, regardless of race.