Mike Pesca

And so during my during this long car trip I just took last week.

I listen to a whole bunch of sort of companion Pluribus podcasts.

Some with the official podcast, but some on our friends, The Ringer.

Love those guys, The Watch.

Their enthusiasm is a lot of fun.

And...

What what Vince Gilligan is known for is showing you methodical process.

Right.

Like if you watch Pluribus every time she calls the phone, spoiler alert, and she's calling, you know, the hive mind for for stuff.

In the show, you have to hear the entire message, tape-recorded message play over and over, right?

He wants to show that process.

He doesn't give you short shrift.

He doesn't speed through it.

He wants you to absorb the process of living, having every time they have a conversation, she has to listen to that recording over and over again, and you have to do it too.

I think what death by lightning didn't do is it was so rushed in trying to put everything that should have been an eight to 10 episode miniseries into four episodes because the folks that I'm, I don't know this, but I'm going to have an educated guess.

Folks at Netflix didn't think Garfield was going to be that interesting to people that they, he was not a known character.

Gato was not a known assassin, all of those things.

So they said, let's do this.

It is an experiment.

It did well.