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Mike Ritland

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I think the closest you can get to that might be that Israeli pager story. where they had to create a fake manufacturing plant to develop these things. And that is how they controlled where it went.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

I think the closest you can get to that might be that Israeli pager story. where they had to create a fake manufacturing plant to develop these things. And that is how they controlled where it went.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yes, exactly. Fascinating. So thousands of pagers. I think it was a batch of 5,000 and 4,000 went out. So yeah, a lot of booms. But basically what they did is set up a fake manufacturing company, right? And I think they had their own manufacturing plant and everything. They licensed a legitimate – model of pager from a legitimate company, well-known.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yes, exactly. Fascinating. So thousands of pagers. I think it was a batch of 5,000 and 4,000 went out. So yeah, a lot of booms. But basically what they did is set up a fake manufacturing company, right? And I think they had their own manufacturing plant and everything. They licensed a legitimate – model of pager from a legitimate company, well-known.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yes, exactly. Fascinating. So thousands of pagers. I think it was a batch of 5,000 and 4,000 went out. So yeah, a lot of booms. But basically what they did is set up a fake manufacturing company, right? And I think they had their own manufacturing plant and everything. They licensed a legitimate – model of pager from a legitimate company, well-known.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

This is a typical relationship for a lot of hardware. You just license it and you sell it. And then you're like, yeah, put my name on it. Depends on what it is. Like, obviously Apple's going to do their own thing, but we're talking pagers, right? This is like 30-year-old technology here. So they did that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

This is a typical relationship for a lot of hardware. You just license it and you sell it. And then you're like, yeah, put my name on it. Depends on what it is. Like, obviously Apple's going to do their own thing, but we're talking pagers, right? This is like 30-year-old technology here. So they did that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

This is a typical relationship for a lot of hardware. You just license it and you sell it. And then you're like, yeah, put my name on it. Depends on what it is. Like, obviously Apple's going to do their own thing, but we're talking pagers, right? This is like 30-year-old technology here. So they did that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

They had a bunch of, they even went as far as getting a bunch of random customers and gave them good pagers. But then they got their Hezbollah client And I'm always curious about how they did that. I have some postulations, but they got their Hezbollah client and they made exploding pagers for them. They put high explosives in part of the battery,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

They had a bunch of, they even went as far as getting a bunch of random customers and gave them good pagers. But then they got their Hezbollah client And I'm always curious about how they did that. I have some postulations, but they got their Hezbollah client and they made exploding pagers for them. They put high explosives in part of the battery,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

They had a bunch of, they even went as far as getting a bunch of random customers and gave them good pagers. But then they got their Hezbollah client And I'm always curious about how they did that. I have some postulations, but they got their Hezbollah client and they made exploding pagers for them. They put high explosives in part of the battery,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

and a detonator in there, and basically it was configured to explode, detonate this thing, after a specific message was sent to the pager. And the way pager networks work are all broadcast, so you can send one message that goes to all pagers in the network, which is probably what they did. Anyway, this was in play for, I don't know, I think it was like one or two years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

and a detonator in there, and basically it was configured to explode, detonate this thing, after a specific message was sent to the pager. And the way pager networks work are all broadcast, so you can send one message that goes to all pagers in the network, which is probably what they did. Anyway, this was in play for, I don't know, I think it was like one or two years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

and a detonator in there, and basically it was configured to explode, detonate this thing, after a specific message was sent to the pager. And the way pager networks work are all broadcast, so you can send one message that goes to all pagers in the network, which is probably what they did. Anyway, this was in play for, I don't know, I think it was like one or two years.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

These were out there and slowly going through the IT operations of, hey guys, we've got new hardware and slowly sending them out to the field. I think they were encrypted pagers. It was funny in some ways that this pager focus was entirely because they knew their cell phones were compromised. Like, oh, start using pagers. Maybe it was the walkie-talkies, I forget.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

These were out there and slowly going through the IT operations of, hey guys, we've got new hardware and slowly sending them out to the field. I think they were encrypted pagers. It was funny in some ways that this pager focus was entirely because they knew their cell phones were compromised. Like, oh, start using pagers. Maybe it was the walkie-talkies, I forget.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

These were out there and slowly going through the IT operations of, hey guys, we've got new hardware and slowly sending them out to the field. I think they were encrypted pagers. It was funny in some ways that this pager focus was entirely because they knew their cell phones were compromised. Like, oh, start using pagers. Maybe it was the walkie-talkies, I forget.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But they were moving away from one comms to another to avoid surveillance. And as a result, they got explosions. But that's the kind of level of control. Like, if those got out to someone else, which, I mean, there's still opportunity for that. Like, they're not...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But they were moving away from one comms to another to avoid surveillance. And as a result, they got explosions. But that's the kind of level of control. Like, if those got out to someone else, which, I mean, there's still opportunity for that. Like, they're not...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But they were moving away from one comms to another to avoid surveillance. And as a result, they got explosions. But that's the kind of level of control. Like, if those got out to someone else, which, I mean, there's still opportunity for that. Like, they're not...