Mike Ritland

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The Shawn Ryan Show · #164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare · 29 Jan 2025 podcast

So I'm in the audience, and I'm just like, oh yeah, Bryce, Whitey Cracker. I don't like it. I'm going to go see what he's doing. And then, you know, he gives us a talk. And after it's done, I'm like, hey, yo, what's up? Like, never met you before. But from that point on, we kind of, you know, our relationship grew. Got to know him a lot better. But he also DJs, as you know.

And he was DJing for a guy called Fuzzy Knop, who, sorry, flip that around. Fuzzy Knopf was DJing for him, because he also MCs and sings songs, right? So he needs someone, you know, to play that. So Fuzzy Knopf was DJing for him on a lot of his shows. So I met him. And, well, he is the one who had built out a red team for a new company. Not a new company. New red team for a company, large company.

And he ended up pulling me over into that team.

I'll let you get there eventually.

All right, so I grew up in Wisconsin.

Yeah, I got a younger sister, four years. You guys tight? Yeah, we don't keep in touch as much. We're both super busy. But we could definitely be a lot closer.

No, she's culinary. Culinary. Yeah, I picked that up from my dad as well. So my dad... Yeah, so he was in the Navy as a corpsman for a while. I think it was like four years, submarine stuff. But medicine, both my parents in medicine, were in medicine, and they did a lot of DIY stuff. So they built their house from the ground up, designed it from the ground up. So I was in that...

that kind of raw materials environment like the house never actually fully got completed which is actually kind of cool because it's constant like tools raw materials around growing up i thought that was an amazing experience uh dude i remember uh shoveling out the uh the house because it snowed before we got the roof on no kidding yeah it was pretty cool i was i was pretty young at that time but it was still like you know impacting like oh look you just you

You can just do stuff, right? That wasn't their profession, but they just picked it up, learned it, how to design it, built nearly everything. I think they didn't do the masonry for the basement because, yeah, the trusses. And then they were rushed with the weather to get the drywall up. So they paid for that. Everything else they did by hand. Wow. Wow. Pretty cool. But culinary, right?

That's going back there. Yeah, he's really into – he was really into just cooking and really, really good at it. Both of my parents were doing barbecue competitions for a while as well. They're just – Jack of all trades. Yeah, just get into it and go. And I think that was a pretty good learning experience.

And obviously that had an impact on my sister, who got into culinary as well and did some great stuff there. I didn't pick that skill up. So what were you into as a kid? Oh, God. Definitely electronics type stuff. So it just depends on the stage. Video games first. Lots of video games.

I guess it was over time. So there was the console stuff like Nintendo, et cetera. So let's go all the way back. So Atari, and this is kind of like the first hardware hack actually. My dad, so if you remember the Atari joysticks, it's a joystick and a single button, right? That's the whole controller. And we were playing the game Tank, right?

You just move around like you're in a tank and you fire at stuff, right? My dad took some speaker wire, a tongue depressor medicine, right? And ran a button probably from Radio Shack and just taped it to a stick to the tongue depressor, ran the wires off and soldered it to the controller so that I could have access to my own little like button when I was like four or something.

So I could fire the tank while he steered it around, right? I thought that was pretty cool, and it kind of stuck with me, right? Like, you just modify stuff, like, hack at stuff. So very simple, but, you know, that was the first video game, first hardware hack, right, that I was kind of exposed to. And, yeah, spent lots of time on, like, Nintendo, Super Nintendo. Then I got into Quake.

Quake was extremely impactful for me. That's where I went from... you know, consoles to the computer in the house that we had. You know, I used it for like encyclopedia, like you could chat with people online. Cool, but it's more just a tool, right? Then Quake. You got to start learning things back when Quake came out. It was late 90s, right?

you gotta learn like how dial-up work how to connect to other people so you could do multiplayer like that wasn't just like a button or two so you gotta learn stuff and even running quake it's like oh you you just don't launch it you know reboot the computer in dos mode and stuff like that and so you're learning how a computer works but that also kind of that's where we get into hacking as well that's that's kind of like the inflection point of a lot of things also you know nine-ish nails was built into the game they did all the sound effects and

uh you can see the nine inch nails logo on the the crates of nails as well if you look in there um but yeah that was also kind of uh impactful for me with their stylistic stuff and the art damn so you started the hacking stuff at like how old were you we were the same age that was that was high school atari was high school no atari oh god i don't i don't even know when that was uh

Yeah, I mean, just really... It was like five or six? Yeah, I don't even know. Damn. It was the 80s. But yeah, Quake was high school.

Yeah, I mean, it's all connected in some way. I was into cars as well. Part of it was just like... making the car continue to run, but also, you know, like, let's add sound systems to the cars and learn how that works, which is, you know, electronics in some way. Also got into water cooling the computer to overclock it, but that required learning, like... Water cooling. Yeah. So...

These days, you can just buy a kit and install it, right? But most computers are air-cooled. You've got a little fan in there blowing out the heat, right? If you overclock a computer, you can get a lot more power out of it, especially back in the 90s, early 2000s. But it would dump a lot of heat, lots more heat, and air cooling couldn't keep up with that.

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