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Mike Ritland

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2565 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yeah, so that's hacking with phones, basically. So this goes back way, way long ago. God, I think the guy's name was Joy Bubbles, actually. Deaf guy. Or, sorry, not deaf. That wouldn't make any sense. Blind. And he noticed that there were, like, tones on a phone when, you know, connecting to overseas and stuff.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, this is way back when, you know, you had to pay long distance and stuff like that, right? But phone calls cost a lot of money. But he noticed they made, like, certain tones and stuff, so he had perfect pitch, and he would just whistle them back. And he noticed, like, the phone network would do stuff when you did that. So, yeah. There's what we call in-band signaling.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, this is way back when, you know, you had to pay long distance and stuff like that, right? But phone calls cost a lot of money. But he noticed they made, like, certain tones and stuff, so he had perfect pitch, and he would just whistle them back. And he noticed, like, the phone network would do stuff when you did that. So, yeah. There's what we call in-band signaling.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, this is way back when, you know, you had to pay long distance and stuff like that, right? But phone calls cost a lot of money. But he noticed they made, like, certain tones and stuff, so he had perfect pitch, and he would just whistle them back. And he noticed, like, the phone network would do stuff when you did that. So, yeah. There's what we call in-band signaling.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

When you can hear the signal, the other end, you know, there's like the switch panel of the phone networks hear these tones, and it's like, you know, when you push numbers on the keypad and they make a tone, right? Yeah. If you do it in a certain sequence, it's like, oh, it hears that. There's other tones that the keypad doesn't make that tell it to do other things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

When you can hear the signal, the other end, you know, there's like the switch panel of the phone networks hear these tones, and it's like, you know, when you push numbers on the keypad and they make a tone, right? Yeah. If you do it in a certain sequence, it's like, oh, it hears that. There's other tones that the keypad doesn't make that tell it to do other things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

When you can hear the signal, the other end, you know, there's like the switch panel of the phone networks hear these tones, and it's like, you know, when you push numbers on the keypad and they make a tone, right? Yeah. If you do it in a certain sequence, it's like, oh, it hears that. There's other tones that the keypad doesn't make that tell it to do other things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's where the 2600 comes from, actually, 2600 hertz. I can't remember what that does, but... At the moment. But it would allow certain administrative type functions. And it's like routing around like, oh, you paid and now you can route long distance or something like that, right?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's where the 2600 comes from, actually, 2600 hertz. I can't remember what that does, but... At the moment. But it would allow certain administrative type functions. And it's like routing around like, oh, you paid and now you can route long distance or something like that, right?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's where the 2600 comes from, actually, 2600 hertz. I can't remember what that does, but... At the moment. But it would allow certain administrative type functions. And it's like routing around like, oh, you paid and now you can route long distance or something like that, right?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

So hold on, hold on.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

So hold on, hold on.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

So hold on, hold on.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yeah, I mean, at least at the time. Things have changed since then. But yeah, it was just the tones. You could literally whistle those tones or hum them or whatever. So blueboxing was the other thing it's called. There's many boxes, many colors, but blueboxing just replicated that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yeah, I mean, at least at the time. Things have changed since then. But yeah, it was just the tones. You could literally whistle those tones or hum them or whatever. So blueboxing was the other thing it's called. There's many boxes, many colors, but blueboxing just replicated that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Yeah, I mean, at least at the time. Things have changed since then. But yeah, it was just the tones. You could literally whistle those tones or hum them or whatever. So blueboxing was the other thing it's called. There's many boxes, many colors, but blueboxing just replicated that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

You could literally quickly dial a number or whatever you wanted to do, do the administrative codes, play it right into the mouthpiece, and you would dial and do all these things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

You could literally quickly dial a number or whatever you wanted to do, do the administrative codes, play it right into the mouthpiece, and you would dial and do all these things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

You could literally quickly dial a number or whatever you wanted to do, do the administrative codes, play it right into the mouthpiece, and you would dial and do all these things.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Believe it or not, that's how Apple started. Woz and Jobs made some of their first money selling blue boxes. What is a blue box? So it's the device that would allow you to more or less get free phone calls in the age of having to pay for long distance and stuff. Like go to a pay phone, just pull out your blue box, hold it up to the mouthpiece, press some buttons, make it do what you want.