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Mike Ritland

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2565 total appearances

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The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's just kind of, even if I didn't do any work for them, just that... Just being a small part of it. Yeah, exactly. But even just seeing it happen would have been enough for me to... kind of kickstart some things. It's another thing. How did that come across your radar? I mean, it was everywhere at the time. It was like in Wired and all these other places.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's just kind of, even if I didn't do any work for them, just that... Just being a small part of it. Yeah, exactly. But even just seeing it happen would have been enough for me to... kind of kickstart some things. It's another thing. How did that come across your radar? I mean, it was everywhere at the time. It was like in Wired and all these other places.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

It's just kind of, even if I didn't do any work for them, just that... Just being a small part of it. Yeah, exactly. But even just seeing it happen would have been enough for me to... kind of kickstart some things. It's another thing. How did that come across your radar? I mean, it was everywhere at the time. It was like in Wired and all these other places.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, 3D printed gun, you know, firing. Like, it's... Everyone can print a gun now, like, regardless of laws. And that's, you know, that was kind of the message going around in the press. This was also kind of another pivotal time when the NSA ant catalog. So Snowden happened around the same time. This is often...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, 3D printed gun, you know, firing. Like, it's... Everyone can print a gun now, like, regardless of laws. And that's, you know, that was kind of the message going around in the press. This was also kind of another pivotal time when the NSA ant catalog. So Snowden happened around the same time. This is often...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Like, 3D printed gun, you know, firing. Like, it's... Everyone can print a gun now, like, regardless of laws. And that's, you know, that was kind of the message going around in the press. This was also kind of another pivotal time when the NSA ant catalog. So Snowden happened around the same time. This is often...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

incorrectly misattributed to him, but there were a lot of leaks that happened around that time, both with and without Snowden, that kind of opened my eyes to the level of games and just technology happening in computing. Yeah, I mean, I already knew a decent amount of it, but the Ant catalog,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

incorrectly misattributed to him, but there were a lot of leaks that happened around that time, both with and without Snowden, that kind of opened my eyes to the level of games and just technology happening in computing. Yeah, I mean, I already knew a decent amount of it, but the Ant catalog,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

incorrectly misattributed to him, but there were a lot of leaks that happened around that time, both with and without Snowden, that kind of opened my eyes to the level of games and just technology happening in computing. Yeah, I mean, I already knew a decent amount of it, but the Ant catalog,

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Oh, man, that had, it was just like, you know when you're growing up and there's like the spy tools in the back of the magazine, you know, disappearing ink and, you know, all those things. This was like that on crack, dude. It was like, they had a malicious cable in there. This cable, when was it? It was leaked in 2013. The catalog was...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Oh, man, that had, it was just like, you know when you're growing up and there's like the spy tools in the back of the magazine, you know, disappearing ink and, you know, all those things. This was like that on crack, dude. It was like, they had a malicious cable in there. This cable, when was it? It was leaked in 2013. The catalog was...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Oh, man, that had, it was just like, you know when you're growing up and there's like the spy tools in the back of the magazine, you know, disappearing ink and, you know, all those things. This was like that on crack, dude. It was like, they had a malicious cable in there. This cable, when was it? It was leaked in 2013. The catalog was...

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Dated 2008, and they were announcing in 2009 they would have these cottonmouth cables... available for, you know, purchase to their ecosystem of, you know, whoever they sell to in the NSA. The price on those, I think it was a minimum order quantity of 50 with a $20,000 per cable price tag. It's like, wow, amazing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Dated 2008, and they were announcing in 2009 they would have these cottonmouth cables... available for, you know, purchase to their ecosystem of, you know, whoever they sell to in the NSA. The price on those, I think it was a minimum order quantity of 50 with a $20,000 per cable price tag. It's like, wow, amazing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

Dated 2008, and they were announcing in 2009 they would have these cottonmouth cables... available for, you know, purchase to their ecosystem of, you know, whoever they sell to in the NSA. The price on those, I think it was a minimum order quantity of 50 with a $20,000 per cable price tag. It's like, wow, amazing.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But, you know, it had all these electronics inside, a radio inside, and that was cool. And actually, yeah, pull this up again. So, Cottonmouth, this is the page out of the catalog where it shows, it's really chunky cable, like really, really thick hood, but they sandwich a whole bunch of different PCBs inside of this thing. And, you know, that stuck in my head, obviously. So what does that do?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But, you know, it had all these electronics inside, a radio inside, and that was cool. And actually, yeah, pull this up again. So, Cottonmouth, this is the page out of the catalog where it shows, it's really chunky cable, like really, really thick hood, but they sandwich a whole bunch of different PCBs inside of this thing. And, you know, that stuck in my head, obviously. So what does that do?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

But, you know, it had all these electronics inside, a radio inside, and that was cool. And actually, yeah, pull this up again. So, Cottonmouth, this is the page out of the catalog where it shows, it's really chunky cable, like really, really thick hood, but they sandwich a whole bunch of different PCBs inside of this thing. And, you know, that stuck in my head, obviously. So what does that do?

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

They weren't super specific about the exact capabilities, but, you know, it had a radio. It had some ability to manipulate USB. I mean, I would... Based on all of my reading in here, the latest generation OMG cable is basically a dead match to its capabilities from what can be deciphered from this page. So all the way down to like covert exfiltration and stuff like that.

The Shawn Ryan Show
#164 Mike Grover - How Hacking Tools Are Changing Cyber Warfare

They weren't super specific about the exact capabilities, but, you know, it had a radio. It had some ability to manipulate USB. I mean, I would... Based on all of my reading in here, the latest generation OMG cable is basically a dead match to its capabilities from what can be deciphered from this page. So all the way down to like covert exfiltration and stuff like that.