Mike Stonebraker

in a big enough market to justify the maintenance.

Because that gives you a boss.

And that gives you company rules, limits your ability to publish, limits your ability to go talk at conferences, limits your ability to

go poke at what various competitors are doing that they won't tell their competitors.

But mostly, I really like being in startups.

And after the commercial version of Postgres got acquired by Informix, I was working part-time for Informix.

which was a 2,000 person company.

And I didn't feel like I could make a difference because it was bureaucratic and whatever the president wanted, he got.

So I think I'm just not cut out for, I'm not cut out for politicking.

I don't do that very well.

And I have a hard time interacting with people I think are dumb.

And that, again, so I guess I have some problems with big companies.

We started the academic project in 2010.

19, 2020, something like that.

And the gist of it was, at that point, Matei Zaharia, who was on the faculty at Stanford, was also one of the founders of Databricks, was the original creator of Spark.

And so he said,

At the time, Databricks basically was running people's Spark jobs on the cloud.

And so he said at any given time, we might be orchestrating a million Spark jobs.

And so we have to write a scheduler that's going to decide who to run next at scale a million.

And he said there was no, we tried all the schedulers written by the OS folks and they couldn't, they didn't scale.