Mikki Brammer

And even in the audio book of Good Joy, Bad Joy, there's two different narrators.

So there's a younger...

person who does the younger ones.

And I think also just in a way, because they provide context, especially to the friendship or to all of her relationships that you're seeing in the present.

And so I liked to kind of have those as little snippets, like flashbacks, I think, because I think so visually like flashbacks.

in a movie rather than I think when they're in the chapter, you know, in those old movies, they used to do like the wiggly lines when someone flashback, like I kind of, yeah, I feel like I just find that those separate ones are much more efficient.

And then, you know, like when the chapter ends, you're out of that and you're back in the present.

Yeah, I'm very interested in it.

I touched on it a bit in Clover, but I love thinking about how our parents shape us.

And when I came to the realization that I was the age and now I'm older than that my parents were when they had me and just realizing how little I knew about life and how I was winging a lot of things.

I'm like, wow, they were probably winging a lot of those wisdom they gave me, but I took it as gospel and it really shaped me.

And, you know, I still, a lot of the things my mother told me still do come through in my daily life.

And, you know, I have a great relationship with her, but I'm like, well, she probably got that from her parents when they were really young and didn't know that much.

And it's a generational thing.

And so...

Often we parent the way that we wish we were parented, but that's not necessarily how that child needs to be parented because you're not taking into account different personalities.

And so I love that conflict, especially joy comes from a generation where if we speak in love languages, acts of service are really important.

important and that's how she showed her love but she also comes from a generation that don't express their love verbally very often so but that's what her daughter needed and her daughter and she also tried to teach her daughter to think on the positive side and I that whole toxic positivity thing that

you know it doesn't leave room for vulnerability or to express your emotions and that's what her daughter really needed and so that created this conflict and now joy sees because she lost her mother young and kind of had to grow up quickly and take care of her father she sees the way her grandson

is having to take care of his mother, who's a single mother and wants to stop that from happening.