Min Jin Lee

There are things that I really disagree with.

There's a lot of cruelty.

There's a lot of misogyny.

There's a lot of hatred.

There's a lot of segregation in the Bible.

There's so much of present day in the Bible, because even today I see so much evil.

I'm really quite struck by

with how evil people can be.

And I don't know what it must be like if you can't use the word evil.

Whereas I feel like I can because I believe in the divine.

Well, it's so interesting to see ourselves as just another species on the planet that behaves in many ways the way less intelligent, with intelligence being in quotes here, species behaving in a more instinctual way.

I was on a safari in Tanzania several years ago.

Other people on the safari were very excited about the idea that we might see a kill.

And I was horrified, but was also struck by the fact that this is the way these animals needed to survive.

It was really, really hard for me to make sense of the fact that

whether we evolved here in this way or whether there is a bigger divine plan, that this was a behavior that was way older than we were.

And then this type of survival of the fittest was inherently cruel.

Yeah, so you could take this sort of Darwinian point of view and say that's how we survive.

You either eat lunch or you are lunch, right?

And you can look at late-stage capitalism and go, you know, everything is Hunger Games.