Min Jin Lee

It's not like I don't speak English.

Like, see, I go right back to immigrant thinking, like, I have more rights than a refugee and an asylum seeker.

So what is my problem?

Like, I chose this thing called writing.

I'm sure that they are looking back on that experience, regretting what they said, especially since you're now at Amherst.

I think so.

I don't know.

I'm sure they're fine.

There's plenty of Reuters who need gigs.

There's very few people that I interview where I don't hear a story about someone sort of decimating their spirit.

And, you know, back to what you were saying before about the sort of kindness and generosity that should be there if we could be bigger.

It just doesn't feel necessary for us to have to do that to each other in order to...

feel good about ourselves or to feel better about ourselves.

But in any case, I want to talk about Pachinko.

Like Free Food for Millionaires, you have a significant opening line in Pachinko.

It is history has failed us, but no matter.

And you've stated that you believe history has failed almost everybody who is ordinary in the world, not just the Korean-Japanese who are the subject of Pachinko.

You also argue that the discipline of history has failed.

And I was wondering if you meant the discipline of history has failed because history tends to be written by the victors.

Yes, that's absolutely true.