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Mina Kimes

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
4557 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

The Apollo program took 10 years.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

It requires an enormous amount of revenue in order to pay that back.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And basically, Paul's case is this.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

Right now, you have these companies spending hundreds of billions of dollars

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

on GPUs, on these chips from NVIDIA and others.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And they're incredibly expensive.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And right now, it seems like, according to Paul, these chips lose their value after a few years.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

So you have to reinvest in the chips that go into these data centers.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

Well, if you have to keep spending $700 billion a year, every year in a perpetuity, eventually...

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

that level of spending is going to eat into the revenue that's coming into your company.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And yes, Meta is rich now and Alphabet is rich now and Microsoft is rich now.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

But eventually, if you keep spending this much and the revenue isn't coming in, your operating income, your profit margin is going to go from here, which justifies, say, a $3 trillion valuation,

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

to here, which justifies evaluation significantly less.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

That's a market correction.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

That's a pullback in infrastructure spending on AI.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

That's a reevaluation of this entire space.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And that is a world where we would plausibly say AI is an industrial bubble, something that even Jeff Bezos has said.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

That's a world where essentially we get in AI what we got in the internet, an enormous overbuild out of this technology, followed by a drawback

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

Followed by, over time, people making uses of the fiber optic cable, in the case of the internet, such that you were running YouTube on it and Netflix on it and all these other things on it.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson

And the bubble ended up sowing the seeds of a transformation that comes.