Mina Kimes

And if it isn't built, the economy will crash.

But also, if it is built, as Dario Amadeus said, the CEO of Anthropic, tens of millions of people will lose their jobs.

Exactly.

Sam Altman has written essays that have said this technology is going to be so transformative and so disruptive, we need to think about universal basic income because so many people are going to be thrown out of work permanently.

What are they giving people to root for?

It's a really strange...

form of marketing to predict that if your technology is successful, if the effect of that success will be a calamity for the United States.

I almost thought like, I was like, what is the historical metaphor for this?

What historical analogy?

What if Henry Ford in 1910, as he's getting his assembly lines off the ground and like starting the Model T, what if Henry Ford said, if this car thing takes off,

More Americans will die of car accidents every decade than the total number of Americans who died in World War I.

That'd be like the strangest way to advertise the success of your product.

It happens to be true.

35,000 Americans die of a car accident every year.

You multiply that by 10, 350,000 Americans die every decade of car accidents.

That's, I think, more than died in World War I. So it would have been an accurate prediction, but why on God's green earth would you ever tell the American people that this is why they should root for the success of the Model T?

It's an unbelievably strange marketing strategy.

So I think you're absolutely right that...

Beyond the economic debate that we've had for the last few minutes about the degree to which there's a sharp takeoff here in usage and revenue, from a marketing standpoint, from a talking standpoint, I think it's a very, very good question to ask, what are they giving people to root for if they're saying, if this fails, the economy collapses, and if it succeeds, your labor market collapses?

What is the outcome to hope for?