Mina Kimes

What they found is that the individual software programmers themselves

will not enroll in this study because it requires that some of them be selected to be in a control group where they can't use this technology.

And they're saying, we can't do that.

I don't dispute that there's utility for software programmers.

And I think that, Pablo, my feeling about AI generally and why there's so much public backlash and it's so politically polarizing, whatever,

is it strikes me as unsexy technology being marketed as sexy.

Maybe sexy is the wrong word, but I see a lot of B2B use.

I see a lot of data use.

I see a lot of industries where it streamlines processes.

What I think where I kind of get a little bit suspicion about

putting it more in the personal computing, completely transformative side is I would like to see evidence of consumer use rising to that to meet that as opposed to like people using it in their job, which I do.

Like, Derek, I believe that.

Like, I've heard stories about that.

I know people in software who say that.

I just don't think I just want to see some evidence that people are paying for it.

Normal people.

So first, Gallup in December 2025 published its latest estimate of AI use at work.

And according to its latest estimate, approximately half of the American public, 45% of U.S.

employees, report using AI at work at least a few times a year.

The number who report daily use has also increased essentially quarter after quarter.