Mindy Montford

When you have an unknown profile and expect a jury to come back with a verdict beyond a reasonable doubt, they just can't do it.

Right.

That definitely gives them reasonable doubt.

And so we knew before we could move forward on this case again, we had to figure out whose profile that was.

And the problem with that, of course, is, you know, that's what we've been stuck.

We've been stuck for years trying to figure that profile out.

So I think when Dan came on board, we basically said, OK, number one, we both agree we've got to figure out

whose DNA this is.

Yeah.

Whether it's a customer, an employee, a first responder, or a suspect, we've got to figure out whose DNA that is.

The other thing we thought was we have focused on that for so long that why aren't we going back and looking at all the evidence and seeing, okay, now it's 2022, 2023, maybe technology has changed enough that we could go back and retest some of those items.

That's right.

The NIBIN system is that basically it's like you hear CODIS for DNA, a database, a national database.

NIBIN is for ballistics, so for shell casings and guns.

And it's supposed to connect firearms to different crime scenes after they're uploaded by law enforcement.

Right, well, we had two crazy phone calls.

The first was when the Niben hit came back to an unsolved case in Kentucky.

And at first we were thinking, OK, well, anybody could maybe steal a gun or sell a gun.

This doesn't necessarily mean it's connected to a yogurt shop.

But when we read the police report from the Kentucky case, the Lexington, Kentucky case,