Minna Epps

Yes, they're screaming at us.

I think they've been so generous to us, providing all these services.

But at the moment, it's almost if you speak to oceanographers and biologists alike, when it comes to the ocean, it's all about adaptation, really.

I mean, nature has an extraordinary ability to kind of recover itself and heal.

It's just that the pace and the destruction and the damage that we've done to the ocean has been in such a fast pace that you don't have the time to adapt.

As I always say, when we need to recover and restore ocean health, you need to start with removing the threats, build resilience and enhance recovery.

And enhancing recovery is at scale.

And we need investment and resources to do that and will continue.

We are facing a triple planetary crisis with climate change, biodiversity loss and pollution.

So I think that the ocean holds also a lot of solutions to those.

So maybe if we protect 30%, we might still need an additional 20% and buffer.

The ocean has been one of our greatest allies so far.

I say that the target was absolutely based on science as a minimum.

That's why I said at least 30%.

But in order to get any kind of agreement or global targets, these are politically negotiated.

So the outcome is a negotiated outcome.

Like the actual target was 10%.

That was not the scientific indication.

That was a negotiated outcome.

So that's why an international definition is so important.