Mireille Day

And he had the music that we liked too, Jacques Brel, a French singer, Pink Floyd.

Neil Young, yes, all of those 70s, Santana.

And Jean the Skipper there, what did he look like?

He...

He was dressed like Gardner McKay.

He was dressed only in trousers the first time with his, you know, his cuffs rolled up.

So bronze having sailed from the other half, you know, other side of the world.

This mop of unruly hair and that he looked at you from under and had quite prominent eyebrows too.

These extremely dark eyes, dark brown eyes that you never knew what was going on inside that head.

They revealed nothing, but they had a very piercing glance that saw right inside of you.

So he was charismatic, Morel?

He was charismatic, but I wasn't swept away by that.

I think when I thought that there was an elemental empathy...

Part of it was, sure, he was the call to adventure.

And the other thing was that I felt somehow equal to him.

But in charisma, there is a more superior character to another one.

There's a charismatic figure and the other one's a fan.

It never felt like that ever with Jean and myself.

And I think it was because having taken that journey into grief and still being there in a way, that wasteland of grief,

that like him, I had seen beyond the horizon.