Mireille Juchau

It didn't exist so much for me in transit and I think it's something to do with the setting because in Outline we're very much placed, it's mostly set in Greece where the narrator is.

Well, she's deliberately withheld the names of the locations, which she didn't do in the previous novels.

Transit was based in London.

It was very clear it was about renovating a dilapidated London flat.

But this one really floats.

It's a floating world.

And I guessed that the first of the two locations was Germany and Portugal.

I thought there was two European cities.

It was only the tart.

And there was a soccer player mentioned, a Portuguese soccer player, I've forgotten his name.

Yes, yeah, that's right.

I love that scene at the dinner, at the writer's dinner, where they're served a dish which could be roughly translated as the parts no one would eat otherwise.

That just seemed to me sort of somehow emblematic of the book as well.

Yes, I agree.

Yes.

Thanks for having me.

Partly because it's the third of a really stunningly original trilogy by Cusk and having read some of her early work, both her novels and her memoirs, it's such a departure from both, although it seems like a kind of culmination of the skills that she's developed in both those forms.

So it was really exciting to read Outline and see how she'd sort of brought to bear all the skills that

and produced an entirely new form for her work.

And also, I think I have a lot of sympathy for the way that she's suffered from critics.