Miriam Diamond

So as a consumer, like you're paying a premium to get these soaps for which there's no benefit, but there could really be a problem because these products help promote antimicrobial resistance.

So no evidence of a benefit, you're paying more for it,

And ultimately, it's bad for not just you, but for your kids and your grandchildren.

Well, actually they don't die because that product needs to stay on the surface for about 10 minutes.

Most of those sprays are not used so they stay on for 10 minutes.

For example, like if you go to a gym and you see these

these antimicrobial sprays, and you just, you spray it on and then quickly wipe it off.

No benefit.

but where does that wipe go?

And where does that spray go for the kitchen sink?

So it's not killing bacteria, but it is going down the drain and it gets into the wastewater treatment plant that are fantastic incubators for gene jumping.

So these antimicrobials promote antimicrobial resistance

and they can jump to different organisms, which happens in wastewater treatment plants, goes out into the environment.

So no benefit, and we're ultimately causing harm.

I have to admit, sorry, I don't have to admit, but I'm not a microbiologist.

I'm an environmental chemist.

I understand the process of gene jumping.

I understand the process of evolutionary pressure.

So here's the evolutionary pressure.

An organism is exposed to a biocide, something that's intended to kill.