Mo Gawdat

It's not a name.

OK, if you if you if it wasn't for Sam Altman specifically, there would have been another, you know, Silicon Valley disruptor that would have done the same.

I don't blame him for beating the market for it.

The interesting challenge here is that.

who do we believe anymore?

Who do we believe in technology?

Who do we believe in politics?

Who do we believe in the middle of a war?

And I will tell you, interestingly, I started to change my mindset in terms of believing those who put their actions where their words are.

So Anthropic coming out and saying, I'm not going to allow my model to be used for human targeting and surveillance, right?

That's someone that's losing a $500 million deal because they stand by their ethics.

The next week or the next, I don't know, couple of weeks, OpenAI takes the contract.

That's someone that's basically telling you,

It's good money, right?

And I have to say, you have to start observing who's actually behaving in a way that is making AI work for humanity and who is behaving in a way that is making AI work for their shared values.

Or some kind of benefit of any sort.

I mean, so there is something that you needed to have worked on the inside of Google, like me, to realize.

There are...

prisoner's dilemmas within technology where you cannot escape the influence of either a competitor or the government, right?

There are some times where, you know, the NSA is going to push Google to say, give me this information or otherwise I'm going to really destroy your business.