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Mo Gawdat

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1435 total appearances

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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

If you let me be optimistic about this, we're assuming that there is a moment in the future where AI is in charge of all the decisions and accordingly, stupid leaders are not.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Okay?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Now, when... And Sam Altman himself said that, you know, what if...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Chad GPT-7, if I remember his quote on this, what if Chad GPT-7 is so much more intelligent than I am, Sam, in that case, that it has to become the CEO of OpenAI?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

What if the next presidential election, there is an AI that is so much more intelligent that at least the president has to consult with it constantly?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Now, if we assume that, let's start from physics, if you don't mind me saying, not too complex, but if you assume that our entire universe is built on chaos and built on entropy, the physics of the universe is all about the universe trying to decay, then the only role of intelligence is to bring order to the chaos.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

If you agree with that, then what's the ultimate physical order of the universe?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Something called the minimum energy principle.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

The highest order of any system is a system that's not only efficiently and predictably performing, but it's performing with the least wasted energy.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

Correct?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

If you agree with that, what does war do?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

It wastes a lot of explosives, a lot of money, a lot of lives.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

It creates a lot of hate, you know, creates long-lasting conflicts and so on and so forth.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

It's a very wasteful process to include war in your approach of running humanity.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

And so a super intelligent AI, by definition, would want to optimize against this.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

That's one thing.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

The other thing is evolutionary biology.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

This actually blew me away when I realized it.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

So if you look at evolution, so I think the debate of whether intelligence is biological or not is over, okay?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Tech Whistleblower: You Only Have 3 Years Left Before This Hits! - Mo Gawdat

The reality is that complex beings don't have to be biological at all.