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So there's three Artemis missions. The first one's going to, oh, already launched.

Yeah, but it was unmanned. Oh. Second one is scheduled for 2026. Yeah. The third one. April of 2026.

12 hours?

Is this similar to what Anduril is doing?

Wow.

Maybe it was like a mix.

Like what specifically they were doing? Yeah. It's very convoluted other than, so I have a little bit of info. Can you highlight it on there? What to expect and how to respond. No, it wasn't here.

Well, let me know when you find it.

Oh, okay. Information is also limited.

The concern over these stations is warranted.

Do I have to make it like Super Bowl? I don't know.

So, Mr. Kennedy, you want us to confirm you to be in charge of Medicare, but it appears that you don't know the basics of this program. So let's turn to Medicaid. I just explained the basics. No, I had to correct you on several things. Oh, you just added information. Let's turn to Medicaid. You didn't correct me. I didn't get it wrong.

Nicely done, John. Thanks, Tia. So, hang on, because it's going to be a fun ride.

Nicely done, John. Thanks, Tia. So, hang on, because it's going to be a fun ride.

Brian. So the first thing I would like to say is I would like to engage in this discussion in a symbiotic manner. I would not like to engage where there is one clear winner and one clear loser. Emotions are activated and ultimately comes about ego. So I'm just saying I'm really trying to understand your position and I would just like you to really try to understand my position.

Okay, sounds good. With that, if you're saying that morality and purpose cannot come from science, is the opposite of that true, that morality and purpose can only come from God?

Okay.

Okay, if there is a God, what is the purpose of life?

So you're trying to make it to heaven and avoid hell?

What is the purpose of heaven? Do you understand? So here's the deal.

Okay, and so should we not try to achieve infinite suffering on planet Earth? And if we can achieve infinite suffering on planet Earth without God avoiding it, if we can do that without God, then does that defeat your claim?

When you're talking about morality though, when you really reverse engineer it and you get it down to its root, you're a psychologist, it really seems like it just has to deal with motivation. People are saying there is a God.

Well, so let me ask you this. So if there is a God and there is a moral code and it doesn't come at your benefit, are you going to follow it?

If it's going to come at your expense, would you still follow it? If God came down and said, here is my moral code and you should follow it, but even if you follow it, you are still going to end up in hell, are you going to follow it?

And they did that with the motivation of believing that this omnipotent, all-loving God would somehow turn it into a benefit. So they still did it solely for their benefit.

Hang on.

When you're talking about whims, I think you're talking about something that's more dopamine. When you're talking about morality, you're talking about something that's more serotonin and more ultimately satisfying. So you and I agree on a lot. I mean, when it comes to talking about how men should be masculine and things of that nature, you and I are 100% in agreement.

We just don't agree on the justification that God is the only thing that provides morality.

What's the difference then? between a definition and a justification. I mean, it's ultimately psychologically the same thing.

Okay, well, so here's my position. So I said that God, among other things... I'm actually a non-theist. I'm not an atheist. I believe the human condition is one of uncertainty. And what that means is that I don't believe that you can conclude there is a God with certainty, and I don't believe that you can conclude that there is a God without uncertainty. in the same position.

Now with that, I don't care. I still wake up every day and I have motivation to be a moral person. Define moral. Moral, what I ought to do.

And what I ought to do, ultimately it comes down to what not just benefits me, but what benefits the entire planet, what benefits the entire system. I think that your entire moral perspective comes from linear thinking. And when you look at the reality of the universe, it's actually more so holistic.

So when you look at how Aristotle defined God, when he said that there had to be an unmoved moved or an uncaused cause, he was defining God from a linear perspective. And you do the same with morality and and you do the same with purpose, I reject that.

Because you're saying that there's something that exists in a vacuum, that it exists in and of itself, and nothing in the universe exists in a vacuum. Nothing exists in and of itself. It's a whole systems-based morality. It's a systems-based reality. Is there a hierarchical structure?

I think some things lead to more benefits than others.

Yes. Okay.

Sure. Yeah, like flawless. Yeah. So does a flawless thing change?

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Mentally weak.

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Now, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

He was unbelievable.

That's time.

I think all people in the United States of America are equal and you don't. Let's pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.

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Let's pause. You have been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat. Thank you.

Maybe there's a lot, but when you say all, that's it. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your chair. I appreciate you. Thank you very much.

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Regardless of what you're saying, let's pause. You've been voted out by the majority. Please return to your seat.

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You've been voted out.

I appreciate you.

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How long? Okay, let's pause there. That's time.

Okay, that's time. Thank you.

I feel like you're a good person, but that's just wrong.

In this round, so I'm going to have a show of hands. How many of you believe that racism and misogyny played a role in Vice President Harris's defeat? OK. So that's good. You all pass.

We'll begin with the opening statements. Each candidate will have 30 seconds, and we'll start with Dr. Quintessa Hathaway.

Thank you, Dr. Hathaway.

One, where exactly are you suggesting that they should go? And two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt? And if not, who do you envision living there?

When you first announced this idea, critics said it would be prohibitively expensive, potentially ineffective and could trigger an arms race in space. What do you say to those critics about that?

You campaigned on lowering the price of groceries. How do you justify cutting food assistance in this bill?

We'll go ahead and move on to our second poll question. And that question is, do you approve of the Department of Government Efficiency's mission to streamline the federal government and reduce spending? Again, this question is regarding DOGE. Do you approve of the Department of Government Efficiency's mission to streamline the federal government and reduce spending?

Press 1 for yes and press 2 for no. Again, that's one for yes and two for no. Our results are coming in and it's at 70% for no and 30% for yes. That's 70% for no and 30% for yes for the approval of Doja's mission to streamline the federal government and reduce spending.

How many people have you got watching the Trump gold card so far, Howard? How many people?

most importantly and so the president will continue to effectively utilize tariffs while again driving down the cost of living in this country both things can happen at the same time just look at president trump's first term as an example when he left office inflation was a low 1.4 percent you know it just reminds me of when i was in high school there was a club called met bunk the metropolitan mock united nations club

What do you want to say about the tariff fight?

Hi.

Nick and Sandy reunite.

We were too.

On a scale of one to ten, what's your guys' anxiety level right now?

Going into the experience, did you guys discuss any rules or boundaries in terms of how you guys planned on? You didn't know? None?

What do you mean? How'd you ask it? Or you're like, can we?

That's crazy.

Yeah, I guess it was less about, because you're right, because who knows? I mean, sex, who knows? For certain couples, it might not mean anything. It was more like, I was just surprised, not only just you guys, but just all the couples. It seemed like not a lot of couples had a conversation about how can we make sure the other person feels respected

in this process, because it definitely doesn't feel like you guys had that conversation about how do we make the other person feel respected in this process, given that regardless if it's sex or making out or, because if we're thinking about the sex, what we watched felt like a lot of disrespect in both directions between the two of you.

And I think that was the most shocking thing for me to watch as a viewer, Where it was like, all these couples kind of fucking hate each other. Because like, for a concept of like, you know, a premise of, and again, I appreciate the context you guys offer that maybe you guys weren't as rock solid as we were led to believe going in.

But yeah, it was just more like the lack of respect, you know, regardless of what your guys' individual boundaries or comfort levels with sex or dating or whatever. It just, I was shocked by JR's ability to act like he owns you in front of Nick. Yeah. And where that confidence level came from and your seeming support of that behavior around Nick.

Did you have to convince her to do it? No.

Did you not want to do it?

How have you been handling? How's our heart? Yeah. How is your heart? Yeah. Thank you, Sandy. She's trying to get brownie points before we really get started.

What's it have to, what do you mean by that?

We haven't really asked that a ton lately. But how is your heart?

How's your heart, Nick?

Well, you're the first one here.

Well, obviously. I'm just saying, and I don't think if we asked JR if he literally thought you were his wife, it was just more his attitude.

In terms of what he thought his place was.

Again, I just kind of go back to, I imagine, what if Natalie and I did an experiment like this, where it's just like... Listen, I think the show is fascinating. I love how they're... Why I love this show so much is most shows are exploring individuals pursuing love as opposed to people in your shoes who examine... you know, relationships very much like your guys's are.

I mean, your guys's relationship seems to be like this poster board toxic relationship. And I even almost mean that in like in a compliment, like we've all been part of these relationships. Watching you guys is like a, a window into like my past life.

And like, I think anyone who's watching this, if you, if you look at not just your guys's relationship, but a lot of these relationships, I mean, it's very easy to see if you're honest with yourself that,

moments of your own vulnerability in these relationships but it's more like again i can't to me it comes comes down to like a respect in terms of i could lean into experiment but you know this is still my girlfriend going in and for someone to jump in and assume a role either and i i would believe either because jr does seem a bit delusional but either he's he's just assuming that's his role or he is he feels like he's gotten permission to play that role

I get the discomfort.

So I'm curious, I want to describe to you my perception of your guys' relationship based off the show we watched. And I'm curious what parts of it you think are accurate.

This is my perception of your relationship. The show portrays you guys as if throughout the season, it's like you're constantly giving Nick notes on how he's supposed to do this and how he's supposed to do this.

And Nick is constantly apologizing to you for what feels like some things may be valid, some things it's just like, it almost felt like Nick was apologizing because he's like, I think I'm just supposed to apologize. I don't fucking know. But I love this girl. And that's kind of how, that's the vibe that the show portrays you guys in.

So you just flat out ignoring her? He couldn't... No, I wouldn't say ignoring.

Because, like, I can be very aloof and I can be very distant. And now that I can be on a couch, now I can be like, Nick, Nick, Nick. And, like, I don't hear her.

When did you guys film the reunion?

Bro. But then there's like we know couples where like some people literally like are ignore their partners and and are checking out like.

About a month ago.

And that was the last time you guys saw each other in person?

But did you think you'd survive the show?

On a scale of one to 10, are you nervous to do this?

There is that.

I think that's where it comes down to. I guess my question for you is... Well, it was really important to me.

In your next relationship, there will... I mean, Natalie is a bit younger than me, right? And so when we got together, we obviously... got together because there was a physical attraction and then we were compatible, we enjoyed hanging out. When we finally were like, let's do this and date, there was an acknowledgement of our age difference.

There was an acknowledgement of ways in which maybe we're not as compatible as we wanted to be. And then there was like a willingness, at least a recognition on both of our parts, but at least I'll just speak for me,

is a guy who is like, I'm about to date someone who is gonna want to and has the right to want to do things I've already done, is gonna wanna go to places I may not wanna go or that I've already been. And I can't just not show up and I can't just say, go do that, I don't feel like doing it. If I wanna be with this person,

I have to meet her where she is, and she's going to have to meet me where I'm at. And I'm just curious, as you look back on your relationship with Sandy, what changes have you made in that department? Because your next girl, are you still dating that girl, whoever you were dating at the beginning? I'm sure that at some point she's going to want to do something you don't want to do.

I'm just talking about when you're not. Because as compatible as Natalie and I are, there's always going to be moments where we're disconnected or she wants to do something where I don't want to do. And it's easy to make a relationship work when you guys agree. Yeah. Right. Like it's when, it's when a couple doesn't agree and that happens for any couple.

I don't care how compatible or how connected you are. At some point there's moments of disconnection and how you work through that is kind of what, how any relationship makes it or breaks it.

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I would have been, I would have pushed back a little bit more.

Yeah, it was more like you seemed way too okay with him.

How do you see JR after watching it back?

nobody sees it because it's that's not how he that's not what he leads with obviously and even i mean honestly even if i did see that i don't honestly like i don't have much patience for the guy or whoever but maybe i'm more critical of men in that department but like i don't care about the guy who can owe it up to the girl he's trying not you know to hook up with or you know and be soft or whatever uh and then be an asshole to everyone else you know like that doesn't

No, no, I'm not asking you. I'm just curious if you see him differently. And were you surprised by things you watched back?

certainly went out with a bang you know where is that what is both of yours one biggest regret in terms of your conduct on the show without blaming editing without like just like something that you watched back and you were like did not love that i did that i wish i would have done that differently i can only pick one You can pick multiple, but I'd love to. I'm like, there's lots.

I think that's the disconnect is like you clearly didn't handle it well, but I don't know if anyone would in that position.

I mean, that makes a lot of sense. If you were that, if you were that absent leading up to your relationship, like if you were, I mean, like, were you giving like, I'm an artist, I need to paint all night and I can't talk. Like,

I don't doubt that. But again, like again, if you're just like it's yeah, running away from having all these very rigid like I can I'm available. I'm not available. I'm available. I'm not available. Was it like that?

Why did you stay in that relationship? It was so hard.

We have a lot of questions, a lot of things we want to cover, but I am curious, you know, before we like lay in or just be like, why the fuck did you guys do this? I'm just curious off the bat if it was more like, I definitely did not love how I handled myself that way.

You felt uncomfortable maybe with the environment she was in or something?

Yeah.

Unnecessary.

And not to diminish that, because obviously that substance is of any kind, but are we talking like you got drunk and text too much? Or did you say something like you really should have fucking said? You know what I'm saying? I guess that's the... You guys keep referencing you drank, and we get it. You medicated, just going through a hard time. You weren't your best self when you were drunk.

When Nick was talking about the difference in lifestyles and the going out, are you single now? Yeah. Yeah, I guess I'm curious what you think about what he was saying in terms of just the different lifestyles or where you guys were in your life.

And I guess more now, are you more in your single era because now you want to go out more and maybe that kind of going out lifestyle is more conducive to being single? Or is it more like you want to find someone who also wants to go out?

Like I just... Yeah, no, I love that too.

How do you draw the line between being an extrovert and loving the social aspect, going out, hanging with your girls versus also being like, I'm in a relationship and like there's going out and there's like being respectful.

But didn't that bother you that he was planning it up for the camera?

Well, I mean, when it comes to doing reality TV, if you go into experience using any substances, a coping mechanism, chances are that will only increase, not decrease, because those spaces, they don't have support systems. It's all about putting you on an emotional island and seeing how you react. You know, that's kind of what all these experiments are. So there is that. What about you? Yeah.

I'm excited.

You know, it was clear that he wanted people to think that and he wanted people to think that he had a big old, you know, He was peacocking the whole time. Nick, I'm curious. Final question. I know we have to wrap up. What did you learn from that tattoo?

To keep getting more tattoos. All jokes aside, that's a wild story. It is wild.

I don't believe everything happens for a reason. I think shit happens. And I think we're either willing to learn from it or we're not.

So what did you learn from that? Because I hope you learned something.

Maybe the lesson is don't get a generic saying.

You know who else has that tattoo? Nobody.

Anyways.

He got the same tattoo as his arch rival on accident. You know? I'm just saying.

Well, I'm glad you're here, man.

I mean, just sitting on this couch together. Props to both of you. Yeah.

Well, thank you guys for coming. I appreciate it. I wish you both nothing but the best. I really do. It's been fun getting to know the people and it was very fun to watch.

Your backs are a gift that just keeps on coming.

You guys did carry the season. There is that thank you guys for listening happy holidays happy holidays guys bye

It did seem like you lack the appropriate amount of empathy.

I mean, are you able to elaborate, Nick? Just because, to be honest, I felt like, I don't know were you protected by the edit or not, but watching it back, I mean, as a viewer, it was like, why is Nick apologizing constantly to this woman? And why is, for what appeared to be no reason.

I'm watching it and being like, I consider myself to be pretty chill and not jealous and I'm very emotionally regulated. But if like my girlfriend was, you know, living above me with another dude, and again, I'd love your commentary, but it seemingly looked like you were being dismissed constantly. I don't know how I would handle it if my girlfriend was telling me to fuck off.

It just seemed like that.

We love that.

How did you guys end up on the show? Because that's another thing that was hard to watch. Because there was a lot of you being like, you brought me here.

The gentle lady's time has expired.

Thank you, Congresswoman. Senator Harris.

Dan, I couldn't have said it better myself, and this is almost 20 years in the FBI. It hurts for me to agree with you on that. I can imagine. But that's the fact, right? That's the reality we have to face.

And another thing, Director Ray, that I really go hard at him, is if you see him, every time he's questioned by these gentlemen here and others, and when they question their motives, what does he do? He gets mad. He gets angry, right? I'm like... That's your job.

I led CBP, the largest law enforcement organization in the world, and every time I stood in front of a gentleman like this, that was part of my job to take the incoming, because that's part of their job. The American people elected them to go and challenge people like me and the director to question everything that they do.

That's their job, and when you have a director like that that gets indignant, how dare you question our motives? No, that's exactly what we should be doing in this country. And like you said, there's a lot of reasons and examples why Americans distrust the FBI right now. And I'll go back. I'll go back to the lack of transparency. I'll go back to Uvalde, too.

Again, Governor Abbott, it was within a week after the shooting. What did they do at that press conference? They went through a detailed timeline of the shooter, a detailed. Folks, I'm telling you right now, we have that with the assassination attempt from President Trump. They have that detailed outline.

They could get up there and hold a press conference and go through, and I think they could address some of these questions about a second shooter or this or that, all these conspiracies, because they're not being honest and transparent with the American people. Therefore, everybody and all the conspiracy theories are filling the void with stuff when they could address it right now.