Molly Webster

And she talked to this kind of amazing woman who learned how to swim in her 60s.

Oh, cool.

And it was very scary for her, but she still pushed herself to do it.

So what she found was, like, not just a bunch of role models for her, but she also found that for a lot of these women...

finding new possibilities for their life, and they kind of had these new capacities for awe and wonder and bravery that they had never tapped into before.

It's like the minute hypothesis is just to flip the script or something, but no script is the script.

Yeah, right, exactly.

Thank you, Heather.

You too, Molly.

Good luck on your... On my driving journey?

Not on the driving journey, the menopause journey.

Oh, yeah, right.

Our menopause journey.

You've got some time.

Yeah, maybe we'll be holding hands and base jumping together.

I don't think so.

Let's go bird watching.

Okay.

Heather might not have jumped out of planes, but she has done plenty of stories for us over the years.

And one of them is a very delightful conversation with Lulu and Latif called Butt Stuff.