Monica Lewinsky

I mean, there's so many of these things that I think just in preparing to talk to you that I felt kinship with of just like the people pleasing and the overthinking and all the negative things that you've had to go through, Madeline.

Yeah.

I mean, a lot of women do.

It's really interesting.

But I think, too, I'm so curious because I still really struggle with this.

But so much of the work that you had to do to kind of be the woman who you are today is around learning boundaries, how to set them, how to accept them.

Very boundary of now.

Okay, can you talk to me about that a bit of just what that trajectory has been like for you?

It's interesting because in some ways,

I feel like, you know, boundaries has become this, has become more of something that we are talking about, right?

And learning about and understanding.

And yet I feel like the word itself- Feels negative.

Yeah, it feels negative.

And there's this idea of keeping people out.

And so I don't, sometimes I wonder if that's what I struggle with because when I'm hearing you talk about

What you say are boundaries that feels, I don't know if this will make sense, that feels different to me than when I think about creating boundaries.

Can I offer you perspective?

Okay.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.