Monica Lewinsky

Well, in terms of how many people are you, is that, are you always eating dinner together?

It was five.

Maybe that would help solve shit in our country.

Yeah, I'm telling you.

I'm telling you.

It's interesting.

Esther Perel had a great line about, I won't quote it exactly, but from one of her TED Talks where she was saying how

that we look to our partners to be everything, that they're somehow supposed to know everything about us and we're supposed to still be mysterious.

And that's actually not possible.

Well, I also, I think too, there's, I mean, well, actually I should ask you, have you always felt that way?

Yes.

Okay.

Because I think for me, I think that I naively really thought and wanted a kind of partner husband who- You pour into.

That would be my best friend, that would be that everything.

And at 52 and not having been married and having these incredible relationships

intimate relationships with my friends you know and that emotional intimacy I think also that you're talking about is so fulfilling that I see what you're saying but I didn't get that when I was younger well we're not conditioned to we're conditioned to pour everything into your your husband and then your children and that's it and then maybe after that your parents because fuck knows your brothers aren't expected to do it

A lot of what we're talking about is sort of reflective of a more heteronormative culture, right?

Do you think some of that comes from the shifting that's happened in society around men and kind of an emotional learning, I think, that's happened?

Or an opening up to men are beginning to be more, I can't think of the right word.

It's like emotional intelligence.