Monica Padman

Two dramatically different cultures, actually.

You live in both.

Manhattan and Hudson Valley.

That's right.

But it just felt like I was at a place in my life where I just was unwilling to do that.

To participate in the perpetuation of this.

It's crazy having watched it, not knowing that story and how important that weird detail was, because it also built this rapport with you two, which makes it so much more compelling.

You have a past, and that little line that you were wanting to not perpetuate ends up also being this other layer.

And, you know, he was so fucking incredible after they tested it.

Every single person was like, well, no, no, he can't die.

We had a guest that so beautifully articulated this.

You know the author Barbara Kingsolver by chance?

She wrote the Pulitzer Prize winning book last year, Demon Copperhead.

Oh yeah, okay.

The most beautiful book.

I read it.

My whole family's from Kentucky.

She said in that book, she was trying to explain how it feels to be in the South and especially in Appalachia.

She described it as...

We're in the bathroom stall in high school.