Monica Padman

Had this other thing going on.

And I was like, uh, no.

I was like, Dax was interviewing big experts.

Exactly.

I was like, it's possible.

And I understand if their specific relationship with...

addiction or those people like doesn't present that way.

Yeah.

I also think what's good about knowing addicts is like it is helpful because, you know, we all just want answers.

I mean, this show explores this, too.

Like we want answers the whole time during the show where the questions are coming up and I'm like, why?

Wait, why?

Why did this person do this?

Why?

And there you don't get answers often.

Yeah, but it's also when that person's done something painful, you want to know why.

Like if someone cheats on someone, they're going to be like, why?

Why?

And with addiction, what I have sort of,

realize is like there isn't a why that's like an obvious common question and I think the reality is like you don't get that you don't get that often and it's okay to not get it but it's it's practiced like it's you gotta I think the why to it does imply a strategy back to what we were saying it's like this thing was unfolding in the other person's experience of it as much as it was unfolding in Andy and Elizabeth's