Mouin Rabbani
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first heard Mar 2024
last heard Mar 2024
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Those aren't violent.
Let me finish. There's a very lengthy history of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. You want to deny that those negotiations took place.
You can't do it. I think the problem is different. You want to say the Palestinians were only fighting and then when I point out they've also gone to the court and the UN say, well, all they do then is these things and they should be negotiating and I... demonstrate that there was a lengthy record of negotiations and said, yeah, but they didn't go in good faith.
Again, you're placing the hamster in the wheel and telling him if he runs fast enough, maybe one day he'll get out of the cage. Okay, and please, if I could just finish. I think the fundamental problem here is not what the Palestinians have and haven't done. And it's perfectly legitimate to have a discussion about whether they could have been more effective.
Of course they could have been more effective. Everyone could have always been more effective. The fundamental... issue here is that Israel has never been prepared to concede the legitimacy of Palestinian national rights in the land of the former British mandate of Palestine.
Wait, what is the occupied territories? The occupied territories. Is that all of Israel? The occupied territories are those territories that Israel occupied in June of 1967.
So they didn't say it, they didn't ask for it.
Hamas only negotiated with Israel about prisoner exchanges.
Again, I'm posing a question. And the question is, regardless of what's feasible or realistic today, the question I'm posing is, can you have peace in the Middle East with this militant, irrational, genocidal, apartheid state and power? Okay, and the question I'm asking is, can you have peace with this regime, or does this regime and its institutions
need to be dismantled, similar to the examples I gave of Europe and Southern Africa.
Yeah, you're correct. Several of them, most importantly Egypt, Jordan, have made their peace with Israel. I should add that Israel's conduct since then has placed these relations under strain. I had very little...
I didn't take the reports of a Saudi-Israeli rapprochement particularly seriously before October 7th, the reason being that it was really a Saudi-Israeli-US deal, which committed the US to make certain commitments to Saudi Arabia that would probably never get through Congress.
I don't think the question is whether that deal is legitimate or not. I think that deal exists. But the point is whether the core of this conflict is not between Israel and Egypt. The core of this conflict is between Israel and the Palestinian people.
And the reason that Israel agreed to relinquish the occupied Egyptian Sinai, and the reason that Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty was signed in 1979 is because Israel in 1973 recognized that its military superiority was ultimately no match for Egypt's determination to recover its occupied territories and that there would come a point when Egypt would find a way to extract an unbearable price.
If you're talking about the average Israeli citizen, I think that's a fair characterization. If you're talking about the Israeli leadership, I think they looked at it in more strategic terms. How do you remove the most powerful Arab military state from the equation?
Often. The only allies of the dispossessed are those who experience similar circumstances.
Not one. They're always on the verge. They're on the verge. There have been documented cases. I haven't seen them.
I don't think there's famine in Israel.
It's something which is produced for the Western... There are infants dying due to an engineered lack of access to food and nutrition.
Well, first of all, I would agree with Benny Morris and Norman Finkelstein that the current situation is bleak. And... I think it would be unreasonable to expect it to not get even bleaker in the coming weeks and months. This conflict originated in the late 19th century. It's been a more or less active conflict since the 1920s, 1930s.
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